Shooting The Slide

[Romper]

Is this guy shooting the slide in this video - (5:51 to 6:38)

If not, can you explain to me why not?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpTcE_INXqM#t=351

Romper

[hjs]

Is this guy shooting the slide in this video - (5:51 to 6:38)

If not, can you explain to me why not?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpTcE_INXqM#t=351

Romper

Hips and shoulders move as one, so clearly not.

[Romper]

Thanks HJS.

How do you enable shoulders and hips to move as one on the ERG?

What steps need to be taken to lock in that muscle memory for this to occur?

Romper

[hjs]

Thanks HJS.

How do you enable shoulders and hips to move as one on the ERG?

What steps need to be taken to lock in that muscle memory for this to occur?

Romper

Mostly making meters at low rate so you can stroke firm enough. Its no rocket science, simply keep you body firm when you drive. When you drive the handle must move also.

[Romper]

Thanks HJS.

How do you keep your body firm for this application when you ERG?

I read that the handle should be kept close to the body during the entire stroke as much as possible - how is this possible?

I read elsewhere that the shoulder should be forward of the hip at t the catch and other parts of the stroke - how is this possible if the shoulders need to be in line with the hips to prevent shooting the slide?


Romper

[hjs]

Thanks HJS.

How do you keep your body firm for this application when you ERG?

I read that the handle should be kept close to the body during the entire stroke as much as possible - how is this possible?

I read elsewhere that the shoulder should be forward of the hip at t the catch and other parts of the stroke - how is this possible if the shoulders need to be in line with the hips to prevent shooting the slide?


Romper

You read way to much....... Erging is most hard work and sweat not reading. There is NOT one kind of stroke. Different bodies use different angles etc..

[gregsmith01748]

Thanks HJS.

How do you keep your body firm for this application when you ERG?

I read that the handle should be kept close to the body during the entire stroke as much as possible - how is this possible?

I read elsewhere that the shoulder should be forward of the hip at t the catch and other parts of the stroke - how is this possible if the shoulders need to be in line with the hips to prevent shooting the slide?


Romper

One way to think about "shooting the slide" is that the body angle increases after the catch. Essentially, your butt moves, but the handle doesn't so you end up leaning further forward as your legs start to extend. Proper body position is leaned forward at the catch, and that forward body angle is maintained until your legs are extended, then you use your back muscles to swing at your hips to go from a slight forward lean to a slight lean away. Then the arms do their thing.

I have no idea where you read that the handle should be kept close to the body during the entire stroke, but that makes no sense to me at all.

[Romper]

Ok.

So, how do I know if I am in the proper body position at the catch to eliminate shooting the slide?

What real time feedback method can I use?

And. What is this proper body position ?


Romper

[Bob S.]

Ok.

And. What is this proper body position ?

1 o'clock and 11 o'clock are the usual recommendations for the angles of back swing. Your problem is not the starting angle. It is the narrowing of the starting angle after the catch.

[Romper]

Thanks bob.

So do u mean by narrowing of angle after catch, I am tilting back towards the 12 o'clock posiition?

What is a good method of check this angle in real time and during the stroke?

Romper

[Bob S.]

Thanks bob.

So do u mean by narrowing of angle after catch, I am tilting back towards the 12 o'clock posiition?

What is a good method of check this angle in real time and during the stroke?

Romper

No. Just the opposite. Your seat starts moving back and your shoulders stay at at the same place, which results in a greater forward lean, so your body ends up in a narrower angle with respect to the rail in front of you. If there are any more questions like this, you will have me convinced that this whole thing is a put on.

Bob S.

[Romper]

Thanks bob.

Your advice is invaluable and so is everyone else on this forum.

I guess whenever angles are discussed, it is always good to include a reference or datum as well.

You have now included this datum in your previous post.

Definitely not a put on.

I am simply wanting to effect a solid technique before I start racking up the meters in a big way.

Undoing bad habits from muscle memory is f kin hard. I want to reduce that rework as much as possible later on.

Any effective way of checking that angle in real time?

Romper

[Bob S.]

Any effective way of checking that angle in real time?

That kind of analysis has been posted on this forum in the past, but it is well beyond my limited computer skills. It was done by looking at videos frame by frame (How? - I wouldn't know.) and marking in stick angles with the torso and the horizontal (Again, I have no idea how.). The member who usually did this, "Navigation Hazard," used to be a regular contributor but I rarely saw posts from him in the last couple of years.

Bob S.

[Romper]

Thanks bob

How do erg rowers perfect this angle over time without that SW analysis?

Would they have lots of video taken, etc?

Romper

[Bob S.]

Thanks bob

How do erg rowers perfect this angle over time without that SW analysis?

Would they have lots of video taken, etc?

Romper

I haven't the foggiest. I started rowing 82 years ago and was introduced to rolling seats 10 years later. By the time I saw my first erg, about 25 years ago, my rowing style was deeply engrained. If I had any tendency to shoot the slide back in the 40s, I am sure that my coaches would have pointed it out to me, but I don't remember being singled out for it.

Frankly I doubt that many ergers have bothered with a careful analysis of videos. They just do their thing and, for most, it just works out. The stuff that NavHaz did was in response to questions on this forum.

There are some websites that deal with the exact sequences of the drive, but I don't have the URLs. One in particular is a thorough analysis of 3 major different styles. And, yes, there are different techniques used by different folks, even amongst elite rowers, but bum-shooting with its inherent waste of leg power is not a part of any of them.

Bob S.