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[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 1st, 2005, 10:57 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I'm sure the "excitement of competition" is going to be well in place, as it has been for the past 20+ years of IRC's, you are really making no sense in blowing this out of proportion. </td></tr></table><br /><br />No one has said that EIRC won't have "the excitement of competition." The question being discussed here is the USIRT, not EIRC. <br /><br />If the selectional procedures for the USIRT remain "confidential," what is devalued, if not gone entirely, is the "excitement of competition" associated with membership on the USIRT and therefore the status (social, athletic, and otherwise) of being on that team. Without fair and open selectional procedures, those selected for the team are just arbitrarily valued: C2 likes them. They haven't "won" a spot on the team through fair competition, as in legitimate trials or a legitimate race; they have just been "picked." I don't know about you, but if I were selected for the team, that would make me pretty sad. As I have said before, I am not sure that those who apply for the USIRT are just looking for the cost of a plane ticket and a hotel. If selectional procedures were fair and open, what those selected for the USIRT would _really_ earn would be worth a lot more than that: the honor of having earned a place as one of only six male/female rowers representing the US at ERIC, that is, the honor of being on a United States Indoor Rowing Team rather than just a C2IRT.<br /><br />ranger

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 1st, 2005, 11:08 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>if you show up at any IRC and produce the fastest time in your category you will be awarded 1st place </td></tr></table><br /><br />Are you sure? I hear that times rowed at all indoor rowing competitions from now on will be confidential. Winners will be selected by conference calls from the local venues to a committee of C2 representatives in Vermont, who, in confidence as well, will decide the races according to whom they like or don't.<br /><br />While C2 understands that this will seriously undermine the competitive spirit of the sport of indoor rowing, this is being done to further their commercial interest, which, of course, is the point of having the sport of indoor rowing in the first place.<br /><br />ranger

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » December 1st, 2005, 11:23 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 1 2005, 06:57 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I'm sure the "excitement of competition" is going to be well in place, as it has been for the past 20+ years of IRC's, you are really making no sense in blowing this out of proportion. </td></tr></table><br /><br />No one has said that EIRC won't have "the excitement of competition." The question being discussed here is the USIRT, not EIRC. <br /><br />If the selectional procedures for the USIRT remain "confidential," what is devalued, if not gone entirely, is the "excitement of competition" associated with membership on the USIRT and therefore the status (social, athletic, and otherwise) of being on that team. Without fair and open selectional procedures, those selected for the team are just arbitrarily valued: C2 likes them. They haven't "won" a spot on the team through fair competition, as in legitimate trials or a legitimate race; they have just been "picked." I don't know about you, but if I were selected for the team, that would make me pretty sad. As I have said before, I am not sure that those who apply for the USIRT are just looking for the cost of a plane ticket and a hotel. If selectional procedures were fair and open, what those selected for the USIRT would _really_ earn would be worth a lot more than that: the honor of having earned a place as one of only six male/female rowers representing the US at ERIC, that is, the honor of being on a United States Indoor Rowing Team rather than just a C2IRT.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I guess that's why the gals that tied for the 2k didn't have to produce another 2k to "decide" which one made the USIRT. Oh wait, they DID produce another 2k to decide the tie. Now that doesn't even happen at the WIRC, I think Nik, Chris, and Tony all got a hammer for the same event, they really should have run a race with just those three, don'tcha think? <br /><br />As far as your rebutal to the "fasest time in a category wins at IRC's" goes, you are just sounding as silly as you have been on this entire matter.

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » December 1st, 2005, 11:25 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 1 2005, 07:08 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>if you show up at any IRC and produce the fastest time in your category you will be awarded 1st place </td></tr></table><br /><br />Are you sure? I hear that times rowed at all indoor rowing competitions from now on will be confidential. Winners will be selected by conference calls from the local venues to a committee of C2 representatives in Vermont, who, in confidence as well, will decide the races according to whom they like or don't.<br /><br />While C2 understands that this will seriously undermine the competitive spirit of the sport of indoor rowing, this is being done to further their commercial interest, which, of course, is the point of having the sport of indoor rowing in the first place.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes, I'm sure.<br /><br />Would your statements above be classified as libel, or slander?

[old] JimR · Post by **[old] JimR** » December 1st, 2005, 1:28 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 1 2005, 11:25 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 1 2005, 07:08 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>if you show up at any IRC and produce the fastest time in your category you will be awarded 1st place </td></tr></table><br /><br />Are you sure? I hear that times rowed at all indoor rowing competitions from now on will be confidential. Winners will be selected by conference calls from the local venues to a committee of C2 representatives in Vermont, who, in confidence as well, will decide the races according to whom they like or don't.<br /><br />While C2 understands that this will seriously undermine the competitive spirit of the sport of indoor rowing, this is being done to further their commercial interest, which, of course, is the point of having the sport of indoor rowing in the first place.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes, I'm sure.<br /><br />Would your statements above be classified as libel, or slander? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Or maybe just stupid???<br /><br />JimR<br />

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 1st, 2005, 2:47 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 1 2005, 07:25 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Would your statements above be classified as libel, or slander?[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Are you getting tired again Paul? <br />

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » December 1st, 2005, 3:15 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 1 2005, 10:47 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 1 2005, 07:25 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Would your statements above be classified as libel, or slander?[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Are you getting tired again Paul? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />ID10T

[old] Ray79 · Post by **[old] Ray79** » December 1st, 2005, 3:45 pm

Has anyone else noticed how this thread has turned into every other thread which involves Ranger.<br />This is not the "USIRT Selection" thread, so please take this discussion/argument back to where it belongs.<br />What this thread is "supposed" to be about is the appearence of another very fast 50-54 lwt from bulgaria, who many believe will give Ranger a run for his money when it comes down to it. <br />I for one would love to see a race between those 2, because it would be damn exciting and a good race.<br />Can we please keep threads to the subject in hand and stop discussing who C2 do/do not select for teams in EVERY thread on this forum<br /><br />Rant over<br /><br />Cheers

[old] george nz · Post by **[old] george nz** » December 1st, 2005, 3:54 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 2 2005, 03:42 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />Too bad, both for those selected and for C2.<br /><br />ranger<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yeh I feel really sorry for them to - they get a to go to Europe, compete, have a great time, share some experiences they will probably treasure all their lives, make new friend, represent their sponsor with pride, and on and on and on .... C2 of course only get the pleasure of having their business promoted by a bunch of dedicated hardworking amateurs who love their sport and their product, are grateful for the opportunity of a life time and are no doubt willing to work as a team for the benefit of one another and their sponsor<br /><br />.... while you have the real pleasure of going no where, making a fool of yourself, bitching and moaning like a little kid who dropped their ice cream on the floor while throwing a tantrum and then blaming the whole world for their own stupidity and incompetence. Then telling every passer by in the street that it wasn't your fault that you are standing there with an ice cream cone (and no ice cream) in one hand and the other held out and palm up looking for hand out .... <br /><br />Yeh Rich you got it sweet and they are doing it tough, lucky you. What is that saying "better to say nothing and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" .... shame you never heard that one - before<br /><br />George

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 1st, 2005, 4:38 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>they get a to go to Europe, compete, have a great time, share some experiences they will probably treasure all their lives, make new friend, </td></tr></table><br /><br />Everyone can do this anyway, George. I went over to EIRC in 2003 with two of my children, spent a day or two in London with Roy, and a day touring (as well as racing) in Paris, had a great time, shared experiences I will treasure for the rest of my life with the various racers at EIRC, and so forth. You don't have to be on the USIRT to do any of this.<br /><br />I suspect that, as time goes on, I will go to all of these big meets. No reason to have a sponsor, if the sponsor is just playing around with their applicants and the serious procedures and expectations of competitive sports for their own amusement.<br /><br />ranger

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 1st, 2005, 4:44 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Would your statements above be classified as libel, or slander? </td></tr></table><br /><br /> <br /><br />Just joking, Paul. Where's your sense of humor? I was just making a parallel between the USIRT selection procedure and the normal expectation of athletic competition based on official, witnessed trials, etc.<br /><br />I suppose I am just posing a hypothetical. If C2 wants to do this sort of thing with the USIRT, why not do it for _all_ of their indoor rowing competitions? Why should C2 have to give out hardware to someone that they (for some reason) don't like, just because they have a faster time? Medals and trophies should be for boosters and old friends!<br /><br />ranger

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » December 1st, 2005, 4:52 pm

As I mentioned before, as far as the USIRT goes, the "opportunity of a lifetime" is to win a place on a highly select United States Indoor Rowing Team, one that is selected in fair competition on the basis of official, witnessed trials. <br /><br />At the moment, this is just not the case.<br /><br />Too bad--for C2, for indoor rowing, and for the 2005 members of the C2IRT.<br /><br />C2's unwilliingness to make selection for the team a fair, open competition ruins their own game and devalues the whole idea.<br /><br />ranger

[old] tjod · Post by **[old] tjod** » December 1st, 2005, 5:09 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 1 2005, 12:52 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />8< snipped >8<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Sounds like it's up to you to organize a team, and do it your way. Ranger's IRT. Time to try a new tactic since the current one isn't convincing anyone. <br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Benjamin Franklin : The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. </td></tr></table> <br /><br />tj<br /><br /><br />

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » December 1st, 2005, 5:44 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 1 2005, 12:44 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Would your statements above be classified as libel, or slander? </td></tr></table><br />Just joking, Paul. Where's your sense of humor? I was just making a parallel between the USIRT selection procedure and the normal expectation of athletic competition based on official, witnessed trials, etc.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Sense of humor is fine, that simply was not funny. And since you say you were drawing a parallel, I don't see that either. It does sound familiar though, kind of like John Rupp asserting "facts" that have no basis in reality, then definding them to no end.

[old] Porkchop · Post by **[old] Porkchop** » December 1st, 2005, 6:11 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Ray79 @ Dec 1 2005, 02:45 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Has anyone else noticed how this thread has turned into every other thread which involves Ranger.<br />This is not the "USIRT Selection" thread, so please take this discussion/argument back to where it belongs.<br />What this thread is "supposed" to be about is the appearence of another very fast 50-54 lwt from bulgaria, who many believe will give Ranger a run for his money when it comes down to it. <br />I for one would love to see a race between those 2, because it would be damn exciting and a good race.<br />Can we please keep threads to the subject in hand and stop discussing who C2 do/do not select for teams in EVERY thread on this forum<br /><br />Rant over<br /><br />Cheers <br /> </td></tr></table><br />As a spokesperson speaking on behalf of the Department of Redundancy Department, I believe it is our opinion, belief, and conviction that the positions espoused in this thread overall (and as whole), considering all facts, circumstances, points of view, and opinions as expressed herein and elsewhere duplicate those expressed by the holders thereof in other threads and qualify, therefore, as well within the competency, jurisdiction, and purview of the aforesaid Department of Redundancy Department, being repetitive, duplicative, and redundant (and repetitive).

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