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[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 30th, 2005, 12:23 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(NavigationHazard @ Dec 30 2005, 06:46 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>IF you really want to compare "underlying physiological performances as reflected in erg scores" on the basis of weight, why not correct for non-essential body fat. [right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />What you're trying to do is weigh 250 pounds and count yourself as being 165 pounds.<br /><br />But it doesn't work that way.<br /><br />Just hop on any accurate scale and it will show you how much you weigh.

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » December 30th, 2005, 7:32 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 30 2005, 08:23 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(NavigationHazard @ Dec 30 2005, 06:46 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>IF you really want to compare "underlying physiological performances as reflected in erg scores" on the basis of weight, why not correct for non-essential body fat. [right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />What you're trying to do is weigh 250 pounds and count yourself as being 165 pounds.<br /><br />But it doesn't work that way.<br /><br />Just hop on any accurate scale and it will show you how much you weigh. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Sounds like a reasonable suggestion, how about you just hop on the Erg, do the distance, and the PM will show you how fast you are. <br /><br />Doesn't get any more accurate than that.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 30th, 2005, 7:46 pm

5000 times in 2003: <br /><br />John Rupp, 18:57.4, a <b>90.1 percent PATT score</b>.<br />18:57.4 = 237.9 wattts / 143 pounds = <b>1.663 watts per pound</b><br /><br />Paul Smith, 17:45, an <b>84.0 percent</b> PATT score.<br />17:45 = 289.75 watts / 250 pounds = <b>1.159 watts per pound</b><br /><br />1.663 / 1.159 = <b>43.52 percent greater power production per weight</b><br /><br /><br /><br />

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » December 30th, 2005, 8:17 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 30 2005, 03:46 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>5000 times in 2003: <br /><br />John Rupp, 18:57.4, a <b>90.1 percent PATT score</b>.<br />18:57.4 = 237.9 wattts / 143 pounds = <b>1.663 watts per pound</b><br /><br />Paul Smith, 17:45, an <b>84.0 percent</b> PATT score.<br />17:45 = 289.75 watts / 250 pounds = <b>1.159 watts per pound</b><br /><br />1.663 / 1.159 = <b>43.52 percent greater power production per weight</b> <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />You have got to be the funniest little man in California. First you call me "fat and out of shape", but then when you can't produce as much power, you try to adjust the power based on all that extra "fat" (bones and organs too). Somehow denying that the muscular power production is simply superior. Of course you can admit that an ant is far stronger than you, and at least you would be consistent. But that would be ridiculous wouldn't it, as you've never met an ant that you could not squash easily.<br /><br />The absolute value of power produced really does matter, you can either light the bulb or you can't, and you can't.<br /><br />You've been discreditted. Do you really want to continue?

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 30th, 2005, 8:25 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 30 2005, 04:17 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Somehow denying that the muscular power production is simply superior. </td></tr></table><br />I am happy to say it's superior but only since you have insisted.<br /><br />1.663 watts is 43.52 percent greater than 1.159 watts. <br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>You've been discreditted. </td></tr></table><br />There is only one "T" in discredited. <br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Do you really want to continue? </td></tr></table><br />Yes I plan to keep rowing more in the morning. How about you?

[old] NightRower · Post by **[old] NightRower** » December 30th, 2005, 10:18 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 30 2005, 04:46 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>5000 times in 2003: <br /><br />John Rupp, 18:57.4, a <b>90.1 percent PATT score</b>.<br />18:57.4 = 237.9 wattts / 143 pounds = <b>1.663 watts per pound</b><br /><br />Paul Smith, 17:45, an <b>84.0 percent</b> PATT score.<br />17:45 = 289.75 watts / 250 pounds = <b>1.159 watts per pound</b><br /><br />1.663 / 1.159 = <b>43.52 percent greater power production per weight</b> <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Call me stupid, but if I is a betting man, I be betting on Mr. Smith, not Mr. Rupp. <br /><br />Seriously, Paul would have won. In the end, the person who is on the top of the podium is the winner. The losers tend to formulate statements such "PAT percentages" and the like. I remember, I played competative sports (hockey, from Canada, what can I say) and I remember blaming the ref, the goal post and so forth. But, as Mr. Rupp has attempted to do so many time, he will attempt to find some way to attack me next as I disagree with his philosophy of "although I lost, I actually worked harder and therefore deserve more credit". <br /><br />Cheers!!!!!!<br /><br />Darren<br /><br />Oh, and btw Paul, I will get back to you on coming out to the club. I was out of town for the past week.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 30th, 2005, 10:27 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(NightRower @ Dec 30 2005, 06:18 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Call me stupid ... played competative sports (hockey, from Canada, what can I say) and I remember blaming the ref, the goal post and so forth.[right] </td></tr></table><br />Old habits are hard to break. <br />

[old] NightRower · Post by **[old] NightRower** » December 30th, 2005, 10:44 pm

And you see, I can take the fun jokes, although using cut and paste to make the statement make what you want it to sounds so much like the government. Should I call you big brother?<br /><br />D

[old] mpukita · Post by **[old] mpukita** » December 31st, 2005, 8:49 am

See the New Year's Resolution Team URL in my signature ...

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 31st, 2005, 1:10 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mpukita @ Dec 31 2005, 04:49 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>See the New Year's Resolution Team URL in my signature ... <br /> </td></tr></table><br />For I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and big words Bother me. <br /><br />-- A. A. Milne, Winnie the Pooh <br />

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 1st, 2006, 12:28 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mpukita @ Dec 29 2005, 10:20 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Come on John and Paul, lets RACE!!![right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Maybe you will win if you get everyone to ignore those who are faster than you.<br /><br />Fortunately for me, I prefer doing my times on the rowing machine.

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » January 2nd, 2006, 5:55 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>NH: 6:16.8 hypothetical raw, 5:57.4 adjusted per C2. </td></tr></table><br /><br />So Watt beats you by 11 seconds. What is that? Four boat lengths?<br /><br />A schmeer.<br /><br />What's your point? I missed it.<br /><br />To complete with Watt, it sounds as though you need to get 11 seconds better, even _with_ the adjustments.<br /><br />And let's say someone comes along and beats Watt by 10 seconds. Then to compete, you need to row 20 seconds better. What's that? Seven or eight boat lengths?<br /><br />ranger

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » January 2nd, 2006, 6:00 pm

NH--<br /><br />I am not sure why you are comparing yourself to Watt. Watt is a world record holder. The WR in your division is 6:07. You are now rowing around 6:20. <br /><br />You still have a bit of work to do.<br /><br />Your lean mass comparison to Watt comes out about the same as your relation to Ripley. You are still 10-15 seconds off the pace. <br /><br />If you think losing weight will help you with making up some of this difference, then why not just do it?<br /><br />ranger

[old] Jim Barry · Post by **[old] Jim Barry** » January 2nd, 2006, 8:33 pm

I thought to reply to satire you had to be satirical too. <br /><br />

[old] NavigationHazard · Post by **[old] NavigationHazard** » January 2nd, 2006, 9:43 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Jim Barry @ Jan 2 2006, 07:33 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I thought....[right] <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Given the context, I think I've identified your error.... <br />

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