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[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 27th, 2005, 6:27 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 22 2005, 09:04 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Does this mean you are accepting the challenge????<br /><br />Or are you chickening out!!! Cluck Cluck Cluck!!! </td></tr></table><br />Or this one? <br /><br />Is this what you mean by bailing on you Paul? <br /><br />Where did you ever say you were meeting the challenge of a 5k on the erg based on PATT percentages?

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » December 27th, 2005, 6:30 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 27 2005, 02:24 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 21 2005, 10:40 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I know you don't want to challenge me to a 5k based on PATT percentages though, say any time within the next 4 weeks which would be ending January 18th. <br /><br />You would probably be chicken to do that, being afraid of races and time trials and all even though you are so much "faster" right Paul. <br /><br />And you'd probably get tired even trying it! <br /><br />So I won't bother to even suggest such a thing. </td></tr></table><br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 22 2005, 09:07 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I figured PaulS would chicken out, and I was right about that! <br /><br />So I won't even bother to suggest it again. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Is this the one you are babbling about? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />No. Those are your posts, not mine. Take a little rest and then perhaps you can figure it out.<br /><br />I do note that even though you claimed that you "won't bother to even suggest such a thing", you did it then and now you even embarassed yourself by illustrating your habit of lying again.<br /><br />Sheesh, I'm almost ready to feel sorry for you, but only almost.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 27th, 2005, 6:30 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 22 2005, 09:04 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Does this mean you are accepting the challenge????<br /><br />Or are you chickening out!!! Cluck Cluck Cluck!!! [right] </td></tr></table><br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 22 2005, 09:19 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>How about something in the 500m range, as you know I don't like to spend too much time in pain. [right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Is this what you meant????<br /><br />Meeting the 5k challenge is a 500 meters????? Woooo Hoooooo!!!!

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 27th, 2005, 6:34 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 22 2005, 10:56 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I still bet you're chicken and won't do it!!! [right] </td></tr></table><br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 22 2005, 02:52 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Do I get a break when I turn 43? It's pretty close to happening so include those figures also. </td></tr></table><br /><br />When do you turn 43??? I can't wait!!

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 27th, 2005, 6:36 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 22 2005, 10:56 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I still bet you're chicken and won't do it!!! [right] </td></tr></table><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 22 2005, 02:52 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>since we both have slides, how about we use them?[right] </td></tr></table><br />Whoops!!!! <br /><br />What happened to the <b>5k</b> ... on the <b>erg</b>???? <br />

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » December 27th, 2005, 6:37 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 27 2005, 02:30 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 22 2005, 09:04 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Does this mean you are accepting the challenge????<br /><br />Or are you chickening out!!! Cluck Cluck Cluck!!! [right] </td></tr></table><br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 22 2005, 09:19 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>How about something in the 500m range, as you know I don't like to spend too much time in pain. [right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Is this what you meant????<br /><br />Meeting the 5k challenge is a 500 meters????? Woooo Hoooooo!!!! <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Even though that should be 10 times easier for you, Nope, you still haven't stepped up, so you must be avoiding it on purpose. No suprise there, you're just a loud mouth nobody that thinks you can adjust your way into feeling better about your performance on the Erg.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 27th, 2005, 6:38 pm

Cluck Cluck Cluck!!!

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 27th, 2005, 6:40 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 27 2005, 02:15 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>You are lying again. [right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Lying in PaulS bizarro world must mean = Truth in reality! <br />

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » December 27th, 2005, 6:41 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 27 2005, 02:38 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Cluck Cluck Cluck!!! <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />You are still the one sounding like a chicken, but your picture looks like a duck.<br /><br />So are you a Quacker, or a Clucker?

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 27th, 2005, 6:44 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 22 2005, 09:04 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Where did you ever say you were meeting the challenge of a 5k on the erg based on PATT percentages? </td></tr></table><br /><br />Where is that whistling font..... I am waitinggggggggg.......... <br /><br />When do you turn 43, Paul????

[old] NavigationHazard · Post by **[old] NavigationHazard** » December 27th, 2005, 6:49 pm

If my math is correct, JR's fastest posted 5k this season (19:33.2) works out to a PATT of 88.8.<br /><br />If you wait until your birthday and then do a 17:05 it looks like you'll end up with a 88.9. Otherwise if you do a 17:00 you'll end up with a 88.84 and nip JR.<br /><br />To beat his fastest posted 500m (1:43.0), which works out to a PATT of 85.0, you'd need to do a 1:29.6 while you're still 42, and a 1:30.1 if you wait until your birthday on the 16th. I'm willing to bet you can do that strapless r26.<br /><br />

[old] NavigationHazard · Post by **[old] NavigationHazard** » December 27th, 2005, 6:57 pm

Full disclosure:<br /><br />Apparently I'm actually behind JR's PATT for the marathon.<br /><br />Of course it's because I've never actually done one, nor seen the need....

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » December 27th, 2005, 7:00 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(NavigationHazard @ Dec 27 2005, 02:49 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>If my math is correct, JR's fastest posted 5k this season (19:33.2) works out to a PATT of 88.8.<br /><br />If you wait until your birthday and then do a 17:05 it looks like you'll end up with a 88.9. Otherwise if you do a 17:00 you'll end up with a 88.84 and nip JR.<br /><br />To beat his fastest posted 500m (1:43.0), which works out to a PATT of 85.0, you'd need to do a 1:29.6 while you're still 42, and a 1:30.1 if you wait until your birthday on the 16th. I'm willing to bet you can do that strapless r26. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />This is pretty funny, a 1:42.0 avg is "the same" as a 1:57.3 according to PATT.<br /><br />Here's what I can do for you John, since your 500m is so poor, I'll give you the same 15.3 second handicap for that, rather generous I know, but I'm feeling nice.<br /><br />Now John, what is it that you are willing to part with in the bet?<br /><br /><br />Nav,<br /><br />John needs to specify the figures himself, that way the target is known, otherwise his math will surely change.<br /><br />Perhaps strapless would be okay, but I don't think I could hold 1:30.1 for 500m at a SR=26, that would near Rangers claim of the "mythical SPI=20".

[old] NavigationHazard · Post by **[old] NavigationHazard** » December 27th, 2005, 7:10 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 27 2005, 06:00 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(NavigationHazard @ Dec 27 2005, 02:49 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>If my math is correct, JR's fastest posted 5k this season (19:33.2) works out to a PATT of 88.8.<br /><br />If you wait until your birthday and then do a 17:05 it looks like you'll end up with a 88.9. Otherwise if you do a 17:00 you'll end up with a 88.84 and nip JR.<br /><br />To beat his fastest posted 500m (1:43.0), which works out to a PATT of 85.0, you'd need to do a 1:29.6 while you're still 42, and a 1:30.1 if you wait until your birthday on the 16th. I'm willing to bet you can do that strapless r26. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />This is pretty funny, a 1:42.0 avg is "the same" as a 1:57.3 according to PATT.<br /><br />Here's what I can do for you John, since your 500m is so poor, I'll give you the same 15.3 second handicap for that, rather generous I know, but I'm feeling nice.<br /><br />Now John, what is it that you are willing to part with in the bet?<br /><br /><br />Nav,<br /><br />John needs to specify the figures himself, that way the target is known, otherwise his math will surely change.<br /><br />Perhaps strapless would be okay, but I don't think I could hold 1:30.1 for 500m at a SR=26, that would near Rangers claim of the "mythical SPI=20". <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />With straps it's not so mythical -- farting around last summer I did 1:32.5 r21, which is 21.1 spi without particularly trying, and several other (younger) nutters on the Brit forum were faster. I have zero doubt that Graham Benton could push 25 spi or more for 500m at that low a rating, if for some bizarre reason he saw fit to try it.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » December 27th, 2005, 7:18 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 27 2005, 03:00 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Here's what I can do for you John, since your 500m is so poor, I'll give you the same 15.3 second handicap for that, rather generous I know, but I'm feeling nice.[right] </td></tr></table><br />I want everyone to note that PaulS has chickened out of challenging me to a 5k on the erg based on PATT percentages. This, even though the 5k is closer to Paul's best event, the 500 meters, than it is to my favorite event, the half marathon.<br /><br />Thus this challenge would have given a big advantage in Paul's favor.<br /><br />Even so, he chickened out of it.<br /><br />So I am withdrawing the opportunity for him to challenge me at the 5k, and if he wishes to consider a challenge in the future it will be at a truer measure of athletic performance, the half marathon distance.<br /><br />

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