Pain in Shoulders

[Romper]

Thanks HJS.

In your post #4 of this thread, you had stated " During no part of the stroke your arms should be high. Always keep them low, and after the stroke bring them forward via a downwards motion."

I am confused about this statement - when most of the other posts in this thread infer and/or state to always keep the handle high and in a horizontal plane...

I will take another video tomorrow morning (my time in about 6-7 hours time) with full body shot.

How do i tackle Citoren's observation about slowing in the back stop - affecting my recovery stroke and not Maintaining adequate stroke fluidity?

Is the arc between my hamstring and chin acceptable and not too large - at "TDC" of recovery stroke?

This link shows the young lady arching her back the same amount for every back stop.

http://www.concept2.com/indoor-rowers/t ... que-videos

How important is this angle at the back stop and should i be applying the same angle for every back stop?



ROmper

[hjs]

Thanks HJS.

In your post #4 of this thread, you had stated " During no part of the stroke your arms should be high. Always keep them low, and after the stroke bring them forward via a downwards motion."

I am confused about this statement - when most of the other posts in this thread infer and/or state to always keep the handle high and in a horizontal plane...

I will take another video tomorrow morning (my time in about 6-7 hours time) with full body shot.

How do i tackle Citoren's observation about slowing in the back stop - affecting my recovery stroke and not Maintaining adequate stroke fluidity?

Is the arc between my hamstring and chin acceptable and not too large - at "TDC" of recovery stroke?

ROmper

Like I said, there is no single way or erging. I like to drop my hands a bit, reason? Easier, I don't have to carry them. Others prefere to keep them more horizontal.

It looks a lot better now, you now should try to make the movement stick, so make meters. The most important thing is that you have a smooth stroke, with good connection and enough lenght.
Your major fould was looking down and not pulling the handle in high enough. Your shins are now fine.
Don,t overthink, do!

At the backstop you should not pause, finish the stroke and right start the next stroke cycle.

[Romper]

THansk HJS.

I know I am overthinking this now, but want to take it further because I know correct and refined technique provides the best result going forward and if I can master it early on, I do not have to undo bad habits later on...

Shoes / feet - does a large amount of energy become lost in this area during the strokes and at the transition points?

What footwear is ideal for this area to ensure smooth energy flow with minimal energy lost?

It was mentioned earlier in this thread that my shoulders were not in sync with my hips - how do i adjust this so that they are?

How important is it to have a good arc at the end (back stop) of the drive stroke? Is that arc shown by the young lady in that video correct?


ROmper

[hjs]

THansk HJS.

I know I am overthinking this now, but want to take it further because I know correct and refined technique provides the best result going forward and if I can master it early on, I do not have to undo bad habits later on...

Shoes / feet - does a large amount of energy become lost in this area during the strokes and at the transition points?

What footwear is ideal for this area to ensure smooth energy flow with minimal energy lost?

It was mentioned earlier in this thread that my shoulders were not in sync with my hips - how do i adjust this so that they are?

How important is it to have a good arc at the end (back stop) of the drive stroke? Is that arc shown by the young lady in that video correct?


ROmper

I like firm shoes, with hard soles, some people row barefood. I don,t think we loose a lot a lot on that area.

Shoulder/hips are better now. You had no connection. As soon as the stroke starts, there should be pressure on the handle. If not, the connection is not there.
Arc, you could lean back a bit more, if you pull the handle in a bit higher this will proberly happen.

The lady does well, but look on youtube at a top otw race and how those guys row. You will notice big differences, style, bodytype etc. There is no single best way.

[Romper]

Thanks hjs.

I bought a new pair of qualiity weight lifting shoes a few months ago with very sriff soles and no give at all.

Would shoes siit this unit?


Romper

[Romper]

sorry a bit tire don the last post.

Would the stiff weightlifting shoes suit this rower and help with less energy loss?

The 4th video (as promised) is shown below - this time with full body shot...

Start watching the video from 1.00.



I still cannot work out how to achieve a smooth flow from drive to back stop to recovery without pausing and ensuring my hands are past my knees before bending them again....


Romper

[hjs]

sorry a bit tire don the last post.

Would the stiff weightlifting shoes suit this rower and help with less energy loss?

Romper

Try them, I would not to much about energy loss. Its more a matter of comfort. Softer shoes may a first give in a bit more, but give that energy back later on.

Relax a bit, by far the biggest component is our fitness. A guy with great technique will always loose from a much fitter opponent. Do go majoring in minors. Get ok technique and from there focus mostly on fitness.

[Romper]

THansk HJS.

Note my 4th video link in my previous post - just posted...

need assistance with that last query about retaining a smooth flow...

Romper

[hjs]

THansk HJS.

Note my 4th video link in my previous post - just posted...

need assistance with that last query about retaining a smooth flow...

Romper

What I see, for training you rate way to high now. Slow the rating down. First the hands away and only then break the knees. The drive should be firm, the recovery should feel slow. You now rush the recovery way to much.

Still bumshooting, when you start the drive, the shoulders are not connected, first the hips go and later the upperbody follows. That is why you still pull down. Legdrive should directly pull the handle.

Leanback, not enough, make the stroke longer, pull the back further a bit. On feel even a bit to far for now.

[Romper]

thanks HJS.

What do you mean "rate" in this context?

so much to consider in this technique...hard.


Romper

[hjs]

thanks HJS.

What do you mean "rate" in this context?

so much to consider in this technique...hard.


Romper

Rate is strokes per minute, spm

Rome was not build in one day. Take your time, focus on 1 aspect per time.

[Romper]

Thanks h j s.

When you state "first hands away and then break the knees", do the knees only break after the hands pass the knees?

Or, is it ok for hands to pass over the broken knees?

What is an ideal rate for developing technique?

Romper

[Bob S.]

In response to the question about hand movement, I dug up this video in which the instructor goes into fine detail about the small curl made at each end of the stroke. She also has a steep drop of her hands after they pass her knees on the recovery which is a subject I covered before. The lady is Angela Hart. In the video, she is teaching a group of people who are training to be Crossfit instructors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOPQbP8hFmY

[Romper]

Thanks bob

Great find!

Can you also post me the link where you have covered this hand stuff before.

This is now my largest hurdle because it is disrupting my flow and not really sure when the knees should break in relation to hand Passover ..

Romper

[Bob S.]

Thanks bob

Great find!

Can you also post me the link where you have covered this hand stuff before.

This is now my largest hurdle because it is disrupting my flow and not really sure when the knees should break in relation to hand Passover ..

Romper

It is on this very thread - I just posted it yesterday. It included the videos of Xeno Mueller, one on the erg and one on the water.

Incidentally, there are a large number of videos of the various classes that Angela Hart taught. I think that they were made in 2011. Several are available on the same page as the site that I just posted. Whoops, I just checked and I see that it was first made in 2007. In any case, those old videos are still around and there is a lot to be learned from them, but take it a bit at a time. the amount of detail available about refining technique can be overwhelming. As was said above, work on one thing at a time. The rowing stroke seems simple and can be learned very quickly, but there are many that spend a lifetime trying to perfect it.

One key feature of the stroke is the sequencing, legs/back/arms on the drive and the reverse on the recovery. That is one of the first things to work on. The easiest and best way to work on that is to dispense with the foot straps - irst at low stroke rates (20 strokes per minute or less) and gradually working up to the higher rates, even 30SPM and above.

Bob S.