Pain in Shoulders

[Romper]

Thanks Bob,

Could this poor technique help cause shoulder pain?


Romper

[Citroen]

Yes. You look horribly hunched over at the front.

[dblinden]

What Bob said. When I was doing the same thing, the person helping me came over and put a piece of tape on the rail so the seat roller would hit it just before I started to over compress. Goal is to not hit the tape which provides more than enough feedback if the roller does make contact. You get the feel of the correct position right away. Haven't needed the tape since.

Dennis L

[Romper]

Interesting - thanks heaps guys - you are all cool!

That C2E video showed the girl rower hunching over to the 11 O'clock Position at the end of the stroke (with vertical chins) - in my view.

The commentary also talks about this.

I was trying to emulate her.

Perhaps a mis-interpretation on my behalf???

Romper

[Citroen]

Which C2E video?

Post the URL for it.

[Romper]

jamesg - post # 11 in this thread on first page.

Romepr

[Bob S.]

She is not hunching that I can see. She bends at a the waist to get that 15 degree angle. The main flaw that I see in that video is the pronounced drop of her hands after they pass her knees. I have seen this a number of time in videos of elite rowers using the indoor rower. On the water this would be a real no-no and would have the coach raving about "skying" the oars. I am sure that Xeno Mueller, coach and Olympic gold medalist single sculler, would correct any of his sculling students for this error. But take a look at Xeno himself on the erg:

http://www.invernessrowingclub.org.uk/p ... o_erg.html

The drop here is not as pronounced as that in the video of the young lady, but it is there. In contrast, check out his technique in a single scull:

http://www.invernessrowingclub.org.uk/p ... water.html

The hands make a curving drop at the end of the drive to get the blades out of the water and rise in a curve at the end of the recovery to put the blades back in. During the bulk of both drive and recovery the hands should move in a horizontal line.

On the rowing machine, it doesn't really make all that much difference - just so long as the knees are out of the way on the recovery so that the hands don't have to roller coaster.

Bob S.

[Romper]

thans Bob.

I shall take another video shortly - trying to take everything into account discussed in this thread...


ROmper

[hjs]

thans Bob.

I shall take another video shortly - trying to take everything into account discussed in this thread...


ROmper

Head high, pull to the sturnum. And drive with your body connected. This will correct 90% of the stroke. Overreaching is much less important.

[Romper]

OK - what about feet position?

Citroen stated that I may have the footplates one notch too low

How to optimise the amount of holes showing in the foot pedals?

Romper

[hjs]

OK - what about feet position?

Citroen stated that I was one hole position too low. How to optimise the amount of holes showing in the foot pedals?

ROmper

Your ankle should on par with the rail, not above and below. But most people have three holes they can pretty ok. The optimal one, but one higher or lower is also ok. Too low makes it easier though to fall forward like you did.
And one thing, don,t overthink you movements, your body will often makes the right moves, cause does feel the best. Erging is no rocket science, and given our different builds, strokes will never be 100% alike. Let your body use your personal strenghts.

[Romper]

thanks his.

All...

2nd attempt shown below - I have tried to correct all the items noted in this thread. It is hard and don't expect miracles overnight.

You will see I have started off very shaky with trying to get my body in sync with my brain and the new ways of doing things.

As time went on, i became a little more fluid I think but dunno if my technique improved at all??

i did raise the foot straps so that I see one set of holes at the top only.


Keen to know your further thoughts on this second dig...?

I observe that I did not raise my head - again...

My shoulders were always leading my hips (I think they should be together)...?


romper

[Citroen]

Look at the track of the handle. You're going down then up over your knees (which is known as "rollercoastering"). Get the handle at chest height (in line with the bottom your sternum or maybe a little higher) and keep it level all the way through the drive AND the recovery.

Also you're pausing at back stops. Hands in, hands away quickly with no pause it needs to be one fluid movement (turn it round a little bend if you need to).

[Romper]

Thanks Citroen.

During your post, i have just taken another video of another short rowing session.

This time - head up all the way from time zero with increased stroke fluidity and now 2 sets of holes showing in the foot supports. (DAMN - the video did not capture my head positioning - next time). Link below....3rd video.



More Feedback is really appreciated.

I am now confused about the handle track. Previous posts in this thread (if I am not mistaken) infer to lower/drop the handle on the recovery stroke and then raise the handle up to the sternum on the drive stroke. I am probably wrong, but need to know the definitive way.

I am pausing at the back stop to allow for time to pass to allow my hands to go past my knees before "hands away"...

How do i time this right so that I do not stop at back stop but allow my hands to drift over my straight knees?

Do I have the correct arc between my hamstring and chin at TDC (maximum length of drive stroke - with vertical chin)?

Are my chins now vertical enough at TDC or do i need to tweak this more?



Romper

[hjs]

I looked at nmb three. Looks a lot better. Can,t see you head, but look down, maybe put a mirror in front of you and look yourself in the eyes. Or put something on the wall to look at.

Pull the handle in a bit higher. Not the abs but just above.

Also keep those legs pushing, and during the last part of the stroke keep tension on the legs. That way they are a firm platform to swing you back from through and pull the handle in.

All in all, a lot bette, now its mostly making enough meters to make that movement natural.