Us Indoor Rowing Team Selection

[[old] Thomas]

<!--QuoteBegin-Thomas+Nov 26 2005, 02:33 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Thomas @ Nov 26 2005, 02:33 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Canoeist+Nov 25 2005, 09:33 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Canoeist @ Nov 25 2005, 09:33 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Thomas+Nov 10 2005, 10:45 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Thomas @ Nov 10 2005, 10:45 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Phil Morris who gave me a ride...<br /><br />Thomas <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Thomas, I believe that you meant to say "Phil Morris gave me a lift to the airport". A "ride" in England is not something that two males should be doing in a car on the way to the airport! <br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Paul Flack <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I just checked a British to American translator and both <i>ride</i> and <i>lift</i> are synonymous.<br /><br />lift (car) n :<br />ride.<br /><br />ride (car) n :<br />lift.<br /><br /><i>Ride</i> obviously must be slang. It is not showing up. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Nevermind. I unfortunately found it.<br /><br />Ride. Noun. 1. An act of sexual intercourse.<br />2. A woman/man viewed as a sexual partner. E.g."He's a good ride, even when he's drunk." [Orig. Irish]<br />Verb. To have sex.<br />

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Rod Freed has done 1:45 pace for the half marathon, with NO breaks.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Nov 26 2005, 05:17 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Nov 26 2005, 05:17 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think I will do this too before WIRC rolls around this February, although I will row the 1:45 at about 25 spm, 12 SPI. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Based on the last two years, I'll flat out say that you're not going to do that. <img src='http://www.d2ksoft.com/blog/images/smiles/whistle.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Nov 26 2005, 05:42 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Nov 26 2005, 05:42 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Rod Freed has done 1:45 pace for the half marathon, with NO breaks.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Nov 26 2005, 05:17 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Nov 26 2005, 05:17 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think I will do this too before WIRC rolls around this February, although I will row the 1:45 at about 25 spm, 12 SPI. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Based on the last two years, I'll flat out say that you're not going to do that. <img src='http://www.d2ksoft.com/blog/images/smiles/whistle.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />"Flat out" talking!<br /><br />Impressive.<br /><br />How much do you rest between intervals?<br /><br /> <br /><br />ranger

[[old] John Rupp]

No breaks!

[[old] seat5]

<!--QuoteBegin-johnnybike+Nov 21 2005, 10:34 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(johnnybike @ Nov 21 2005, 10:34 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Nov 21 2005, 05:29 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Nov 21 2005, 05:29 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Now if you could just lose the desire to be a ballbaby about it!<br /> <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Whats a ballbaby? I can guess from the context, crybaby is the equivalent I suppose. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />I think it's spelled wrong...maybe "bawlbaby?"

[[old] seat5]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"Throughout this hour, the longest of my career, </td></tr></table> <br /><br />(from Eddy Merkx)<br /><br />There we have it, folks...proof that an hour is longer at high altitude than it is at lower...right, John?<br />

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-johnnybike+Nov 23 2005, 09:58 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(johnnybike @ Nov 23 2005, 09:58 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--> then I went on and continued to have success with those guys in the 8+ <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />So Paul, in retrospect do you agree with the decision made by the coach. <br /><br />If you do, do you think that you would feel differently if you had not had success with the 8<br /><br />Why do you think he made the decision? Because you weren't as good as the 4, because he knew that you would do well in the 8 or because he was bloody-minded.<br /><br />Sorry to distract from the Ranger discussion but amything that gets it off track is good in my book.<br /><br />These USIRT/Ranger threads are like watching operations on TV. You know you don't want to see what is happening but you keep having a peek, just in case you are missing anything <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes, I think the decision was the right one. I had success in 4's also, just not with any of the guys from that 4. I was a novice at the time so our Novice 4+ was my second choice, but still okay since we had some good competition from the UW to deal with.<br /><br />I think the reason he made the call the way he did was because I was out of line, and there would have been 4 guys (don't forget the cox) that would rather have someone else in the boat (that can count for a lot), and perhaps he was a bit bloody minded also. <br /><br />This is the same coach that recommended me for the US National Team, and had me in the Varsity 8 the whole time, so I can't exactly say that he was not open-minded about my abilities.

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Nov 26 2005, 01:33 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Nov 26 2005, 01:33 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Nov 25 2005, 05:02 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Nov 25 2005, 05:02 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Rich,<br /><br />You're doing 1:50 pace, with breaks.  How long without a break?<br /><br />Rod Freed has done 1:45 pace for the half marathon, with NO breaks.<br /><br />His 2k is 6:39.  <br /><br />The prospects are not looking very good.  <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />A few seconds. Usually about 15 or so? I just try to keep the rowing under my anaerobic threshold so that I can keep going.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />What?!?!? You are rowing for a WHOLE 15 seconds at your new an improved pace and stroking power? Yer kidd'in right? Why are you changing the very nature of how training is communicated to suit your own warped view of it.<br /><br />For example: If I said 1:50 @ SR=20 for 10 minutes, I mean 10 Minutes, 200 strokesm Avg Pace 1:50.<br /><br />What does it mean when you say it? Several 15 second bouts of 5 strokes over a period of 10 minutes?<br /><br />Perhaps what we have here is a failure to communicate.

[[old] george nz]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Nov 26 2005, 10:33 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Nov 26 2005, 10:33 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Nov 25 2005, 05:02 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Nov 25 2005, 05:02 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Rich,<br /><br />You're doing 1:50 pace, with breaks.  How long without a break?<br /><br />Rod Freed has done 1:45 pace for the half marathon, with NO breaks.<br /><br />His 2k is 6:39.  <br /><br />The prospects are not looking very good.  <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />A few seconds. Usually about 15 or so? I just try to keep the rowing under my anaerobic threshold so that I can keep going.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />So your rowing for about 15 secs at 1:50 pace then taking a break and this is just below your AT - hence it is UT1 work. Yet the other day you said you were only doing UT2 work - again confusing<br /><br />George<br />

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What?!?!? You are rowing for a WHOLE 15 seconds at your new an improved pace and stroking power? </td></tr></table><br /><br />Ah. Sorry. The _breaks_ are short, about 15 seconds or so, not the rowing! The rowing is as continuous as it can be, although I don't pay much attention to exactly how continuous. Eventually, I hope it will be entirely continuous. I might have to ease up just a little on the pressure to get a continuous row, but that's no problem. I am sometimes doing close to 15 SPI.<br /><br />The issue at the moment is just to take a lot of strokes at 14-15 SPI and work on leverage, speed, and timing in the drive.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So your rowing for about 15 secs at 1:50 pace then taking a break and this is just below your AT - hence it is UT1 work. Yet the other day you said you were only doing UT2 work - again confusing </td></tr></table><br /><br />It is hard to classify what I am doing in terms of UT1, UT2, etc. I suppose the heart rate involved is (high) UT1 (or even above). But the rate involved in UT2 (or below). The stroking power involved is (out of sight) high. The distances involved are very long.<br /><br />When I finally get a continuous row, though, and ease up the pressure a bit, my hope is that the row will settle into a standard UT2 row, for instance, one that I could do every day with a nicely controlled heart rate.<br /><br />I suppose what I am trying to do is find a way of quickly and effectively forcing down my UT2 pace to the limits of my potential by working on technique and stroking power (my major weaknesses) in a kind of fartlek, free interval pattern, over long distances, by drawing on my endurance and aerobic fitness, my major strengths, which I have developed elsewhere. That is, I am trying to build and habituate myself to the most powerful stroke that I can handle, given my size, age, fitness, technical ability, etc.<br /><br />Doesn't seem to be a place for this sort of rowing in the basic "plans."<br /><br />Oh well.<br /><br />Seems to be working.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

I know what we might call the rowing I am doing:<br /><br />REMEDIAL<br /><br />(Paul S. will like that one!)<br /><br /> <br /><br />Remedial rowing is the sort of rowing that world record holders do when they do not yet know how to row and decide it might be useful to learn!<br /><br />ranger

[[old] Ducatista]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The selection process went something like this.... [lame pucker emoticon here] </td></tr></table><br />I'm just reading this thread for the first time, and the above statement stood out as particularly obnoxious. Which is impressive, given the competition. <br /><br />John Rupp, do I remember correctly that you consider yourself a "life coach"? I hope you don't advise your clients to indulge in such childish reactions to situations not to their liking.

[[old] H_2O]

I think Ranger might ironically eliminate himself from competition.<br />In going to greater and greater SPI he will undoubtedly develop more muscle mass<br />which in turn might make it imposible for him to qualify as a lightweight.<br /><br />I once met a rower at a gym who had bought into the concept of strokinjg power hook, line and sinker. He proudly told me that he had just rowed a 3:08 1K at 19 spm.<br />At this I was quite amazed and took a good look at him: he was humpbacked like a grizzly bear<br />with bulging muscles.<br /><br /><br />

[[old] george nz]

<!--QuoteBegin-H_2O+Nov 29 2005, 12:33 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(H_2O @ Nov 29 2005, 12:33 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think  Ranger might ironically eliminate himself from competition.<br />In going to greater and greater SPI he will undoubtedly develop more muscle mass<br />which in turn might make it imposible for him to qualify as a lightweight.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />No I dont think Ranger is that dum. If he does it, it will be deliberate, hence the increasing common posts about racing as a HW.<br /><br />George