Us Indoor Rowing Team Selection

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You can also do 1:45 @ 24 very easily, yet, cannot go faster than 1:43 for a 5K, a 17 minutes event! </td></tr></table><br /><br />My 5K pb is 1:43, but I did that a couple of years ago with my old stroke.<br /><br />I haven't been rowing 5Ks yet with my new stroke. I don't know what I can do for 5K now. As I said, I have been rowing 1:50 @ 18 spm (and such like).<br /><br />ranger

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-FrancoisA+Nov 25 2005, 08:35 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(FrancoisA @ Nov 25 2005, 08:35 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Otherwise, another racing year is going to pass and you will find, again, that your stroke is not quite ready!  [right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />History does tend to repeat itself.

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You already have enough power for a 6:24 row. </td></tr></table><br /><br />If you mean stroking power, then I agree entirely; yes, I certainly do. <br /><br />Now I am trying to groove it into place with lots of meters at high power and low rates.<br /><br />When that is done, I'll up the rate and fire the engines.<br /><br />No, I am not in a low rate rut. I have no problem rowing at high rates. I am rowing a lot at low rates because that is what is most beneficial to my rowing at high rates.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Nov 25 2005, 10:17 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Nov 25 2005, 10:17 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I have no problem rowing at high rates. [right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />We shall see. <br />

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What you have develop, using an engine analogy, is a motor with a lot of torque at low rpm, much like a diesel engine. Those engines are very fuel efficient but usually low on HP! (HP = SPEED!) </td></tr></table><br /><br />I'm not sure there is a precedent for this situation. I am a 55-year-old lwt doing long daily rows at 14.7 SPI. This is radically excessive, L4 rowing for a 1:31 2K.<br /><br />It will be interesting to see what comes of this.<br /><br />I am not sure that I am develop a _diesel_ engine. The better word might be _jet_.<br /><br />Zoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] John Rupp]

Rich,<br /><br />You're doing 1:50 pace, with breaks. How long without a break?<br /><br />Rod Freed has done 1:45 pace for the half marathon, with NO breaks.<br /><br />His 2k is 6:39. <br /><br />The prospects are not looking very good.

[[old] Thomas]

You people are using the Wolverine Plan in a way it was not intended. It doesn't matter if you can row X:XX pace at X spm for X number of minutes in determining a 2k reference pace and subsequently a fictitious 2k time. <br /><br />What you can do are certain stressing sessions like 4 x 1k, 5 x 1.5k, 4 x 2k, 116 116 116 128 128 140, etc, and then do a real 2k Time Trial piece. You can then associate the results of a particular session with a 2k time, otherwise; you are just fooling yourself and setting yourself up for disappointment.

[[old] rspenger]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Nov 24 2005, 07:46 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Nov 24 2005, 07:46 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br />You get better at AN rowing by doing TR rowing. You get better at TR rowing by doing AT rowing. You get better at AT rowing by doing UT1 rowing. You get better at UT1 rowing by doing UT2 rowing.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Can someone provide a translation please? In fact this whole bloody forum is so loaded with unexplained abbreviations that it is damn near incomprehensible to some one new to it. Not that it is any different from most of the rest of the internet world, which seems to be h***-bent on the destruction of communication.<br /><br />The forum can certainly use a glossary that would be available right on the opening home page.<br /><br />Bob S.<br />

[[old] Byron Drachman]

Hi Bob,<br /><br />TIDH (That is discussed here:) (Heh, heh)<br /><br /><a href='http://www.concept2.co.uk/guide/' target='_blank'>http://www.concept2.co.uk/guide/</a><br /><br />You can download the training guide (for free.) There is a discussion of the training bands in section 3.09. Also see table 3.1. Those abbreviations are defined and explained there. <br /><br />Byron<br /><br /><br /><br />

[[old] rspenger]

<!--QuoteBegin-Byron Drachman+Nov 25 2005, 05:22 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Byron Drachman @ Nov 25 2005, 05:22 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi Bob,<br /><br />TIDH (That is discussed here:)  (Heh, heh)<br /><br /><a href='http://www.concept2.co.uk/guide/' target='_blank'>http://www.concept2.co.uk/guide/</a><br /><br />You can download the training guide (for free.) There is a discussion of the training bands in section 3.09. Also see table 3.1. Those abbreviations are defined and explained  there. <br /><br />Byron <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Thank you, Bryon. That should help a lot<br /><br />regards,<br /><br />Bob S.

[[old] FrancoisA]

<!--QuoteBegin-Thomas+Nov 25 2005, 10:40 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Thomas @ Nov 25 2005, 10:40 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You people are using the Wolverine Plan in a way it was not intended. It doesn't matter if you can row X:XX pace at X spm for X number of minutes in determining a 2k reference pace and subsequently a fictitious 2k time.  <br /><br />What you can do are certain stressing sessions like 4 x 1k, 5 x 1.5k, 4 x 2k, 116 116 116 128 128 140, etc, and then do a real 2k Time Trial piece.  You can then associate the results of a particular session with a 2k time, otherwise; you are just fooling yourself and setting yourself up for disappointment. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />I agree with you Thomas.<br /><br />What I wanted to stress was that Ranger's 5K PB is out of sync with his L4 reference pace of 1:33, considering that he finds it <i>very easy</i> to row long distances at 1:50 @ 18 spm and <i>very easy</i> to row at 1:45 @24 spm. And considering also his tremendous endurance resulting from 4 hours of daily training for the past 3 decades!

[[old] Canoeist]

<!--QuoteBegin-Thomas+Nov 10 2005, 10:45 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Thomas @ Nov 10 2005, 10:45 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Phil Morris who gave me a ride...<br /><br />Thomas <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Thomas, I believe that you meant to say "Phil Morris gave me a lift to the airport". A "ride" in England is not something that two males should be doing in a car on the way to the airport! <br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Paul Flack

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You people are using the Wolverine Plan </td></tr></table><br /><br />Let's get this clear: I am exactly _not_ following the WP. <br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What I wanted to stress was that Ranger's 5K PB his out of sync with is L4 reference pace of 1:33, considering that he finds it very easy to row long distances at 1:50 @ 18 spm and very easy to row at 1:45 @24 spm. And considering also his tremendous endurance resulting from 4 hours of daily training for the past 3 decades! </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes, exactly! As intended!<br /><br />I am developing my stroke, which I will then utilize when I work my way up the rate ladder.<br /><br />As you observe, in my case, there is very little danger in this, given that my stroking capacity, efficiency, and specialized muscular fitness for rowing are my my weaknesses while my overall endurance and aerobic and anaerobic capacities are my strengths. The latter are all highly developed--already.<br /><br />Lookin' GOOD!<br /><br />ranger

[[old] george nz]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Nov 26 2005, 08:54 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Nov 26 2005, 08:54 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br />I am developing my stroke, ................<br /><br />ranger </td></tr></table><br /><br />Why do you keep saying this when there are numerous posts where you say you have the technique sorted <!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--> april 2005: ... Technique is _very_ nice now, entirely relaxed and natural. ... </td></tr></table>. and that it is no longer an issue. If you do not mean this but in fact are trying to communicate something else entirely please do so - heck you are the English professor.<br /><br />George<br />