Us Indoor Rowing Team Selection

[[old] george nz]

Ranger I see that you are still a member of the team based on your Avatar - given your total condemnation of C2's policies and philosophies I would have thought you would have removed it - or does it feed the something in the psyche<br /><br />George

[[old] george nz]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Nov 18 2005, 06:05 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Nov 18 2005, 06:05 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->John--<br /><br />Roland is 43 years old and a heavyweight. The 40s hwt WR is 5:52, not 5:37.<br /><br />Nonetheless, 5:52 is 21 seconds under Roland's 6:13.<br /><br />And this is nothing said against rowing 6:13! I wish I could row 6:13. 6:13 is a fine 2K, in any estimation. <br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />So Ranger, Roland is 43 and measured against pretty stiff competition, competition which decreases with age as we can see by the number of competitors and the severity of the WR (as evidenced by the fact that you are going to probably hang out till your 55 and the record gets easier.)<br /><br />Tell us then in a more direct comparison with Roland, when you were 43 would you have gotten close you think to 6:18.2 which is the WR?<br /><br /><b>Ps John</b> Roland is a lot closer to the WR for his age group than you are - what your 59 and a lightweight and that record is about 6:41 I think so your nearly 50 seconds off that - guess Roland is more accomplished than you.<br /><br />Actually the time you have listed in your signature John of 7:29.2 would put you somewhere in the pack of the 75-79 age group - seems your not quick at all really.<br /><br />ps Before you trot out my times in comparison to the WR - I dont give a <b>edited</b><br /><br />George

[[old] John Rupp]

George,<br /><br />I notice you have the New Zealand national feather in your avatar.<br /><br />Does this mean you are on the NZ national rowing team?

[[old] John Rupp]

George,<br /><br />There is no guarantee that you will ever even reach age 59, so how would you ever expect to still be rowing at that age?<br /><br />That there are less competitors at age 55+ shows how difficult this is. <br /><br />Thus the competition increases with age.

[[old] John Rupp]

George,<br /><br />My time this year put me right at 90% of the PATTwr for my AWG.<br /><br />The PATT time for age 59 is 6:44, so my time was about 45 seconds off that.

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Nov 17 2005, 02:54 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Nov 17 2005, 02:54 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->George,<br /><br />There is no guarantee that you will ever even reach age 59, so how would you ever expect to still be rowing at that age?<br /><br />That there are less competitors at age 55+ shows how difficult this is.  <br /><br />Thus the competition increases with age. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Have you run out of medication already this month? <br /><br />Less competitors in an age group does not lead to the conclusion that "competition increases with age". What it means in the real world is that competition decreases with age. But you being "180deg out" of reality is normal.<br /><br />You still haven't come up with the strangely built "top rowers", why not, you have all your favorites. EE, EL, FG, etc..... what, they are rather normally proportioned?

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So Ranger, Roland is 43 and measured against pretty stiff competition, competition which decreases with age as we can see by the number of competitors and the severity of the WR (as evidenced by the fact that you are going to probably hang out till your 55 and the record gets easier.)<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I think the 50-54 lwt record is _very_ respectable now. <br /><br />Could I have rowed 6:18 when I was 40. Who knows?<br /><br />The respectability of the 50s lwt record will be firmly tested as Caviston, et al., turn 50. Perhaps I will be wrong in this, but I suspect that Mike C. will have a hard time rowing 6:25 when he is 50. This is just about what he rows now at 45. <br /><br />Yes, the competition is slim in the 50s lwts, but the best times are now entirely respectable.<br /><br />Among lwt times, I suspect the "soft" time at the moment is not the 50-54s but Mike C.'s 6:18 for the 40s. I suspect that Eskild will lower that to 6:10 or so.<br /><br />ranger<br /><br />

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ranger I see that you are still a member of the team based on your Avatar </td></tr></table><br /><br />The avatar is for the USIRDS, which I was indeed a part of.<br /><br />I just wasn't selected for the USIRT.<br /><br />ranger<br /><br />

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Nov 17 2005, 03:47 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Nov 17 2005, 03:47 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Among lwt times, I suspect the "soft" time at the moment is not the 50-54s but  Mike C.'s 6:18 for the 40s. I suspect that Eskild will lower that to 6:10 or so.<br /><br />ranger[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes.<br /><br />According to a curve of the WR's by age, the 40+ time should be around 6:13-6:14 or so.

[[old] ranger]

BTW, it might be mentioned that, at EIRC 2003, two rowers selected for the USIRT (one male and one female) did not win their races, both losing by over five seconds, and two (male) rowers didn't even row.<br /><br />I won my race at EIRC by 12 seconds.<br /><br />I am not sure about this, but in 2003, I might also have been the only rower to have won gold at all three major championships: WIRC, BIRC, and EIRC. <br /><br />At the time, all three rows were championship records; two of the rows were world records.<br /><br />At the time, my USIRT trial was also a world record.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->According to a curve of the WR's by age, the 40+ time should be around 6:13-6:14 or so. </td></tr></table><br /><br />And I suspect that Eskild will put a bit of a "dip" in that curve.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->when you were 43 would you have gotten close you think to 6:18.2 which is the WR? </td></tr></table><br /><br />Much of this is an accident of when I started rowing (at 50 years of age). If I had started rowing when I was 45 rather than 50, I think I would have rowed 6:20 when I was 50. If I succeed in rowing 6:24 at 55, I think that this guess is for certain.<br /><br />Mike C. started rowing when he was 18.<br /><br />It is often said that it takes at least five years to learn how to do a sport competently. That seems right to me for rowing. I am just now feeling that I know how to row (and train for rowing). <br /><br />I have been rowing for 5 years now.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->you are going to probably hang out till your 55 and the record gets easier </td></tr></table><br /><br />I lowered the 50-54 WR by 2 seconds when I was 52 and another two seconds when I was almost 53. I didn't "hang out" at all. I took it on and bested it--three times.<br /><br />I will also try one more slap at the 50-54 lwt record this winter, just before I turn 55. <br /><br />Yes, the 55-59 lwt WR is soft. <br /><br />But it won't be for long!<br /><br /> <br /><br />I suspect that Dennis H. might nip it at EIRC 2005.<br /><br />Then I will row at it repeatedly in Feb. 2006, when I will be 55. <br /><br />I think we should be able to get it down over 10 seconds, perhaps as many as 15, at the most 18.<br /><br />Then the 55-59 lwt record will be respectable, too, _very_ respectable. <br /><br />How respectable? Well, we'll soon find out. Graham Watt will be 55 in a few years.<br /><br />If I succeed in rowing 6:24 at WIRC 2006, I suspect that this will be a challenge for Graham when he is 55. He rowed 6:28.5 at WIRC this last year, when he was 50.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] george nz]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Nov 18 2005, 11:50 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Nov 18 2005, 11:50 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->George,<br /><br />I notice you have the New Zealand national feather in your avatar.<br /><br />Does this mean you are on the NZ national rowing team? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />John it is not a feather so do your homework <br /><br />Also do you see anything there that indicates anything at all to connect the avatar to rowing - no.<br /><br />If you had a US flag in your avatar, which would not be a problem, would that mean you were on the US tiddlywinks team - no it would just mean that you were proud to be an American and proud of the symbol of your nationality - the flag.<br /><br />Note my avatar is not our National flag but a clearly recognised symbol for NZ - you should have known better by your vast knowledge of athletics (joke) - have a look at Snell, Lovelock, Halberg, Walker and the symbol on the black singlets they wore - not to mention our rowers and see the symbol they are proud to wear <br /><br /><b>This post has been edited by me to avoid offense</b><br /><br />George

[[old] george nz]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Nov 18 2005, 12:50 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Nov 18 2005, 12:50 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ranger I see that you are still a member of the team based on your Avatar </td></tr></table><br /><br />The avatar is for the USIRDS, which I <b>was</b> indeed a part of. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Indeed <b>PAST TENSE</b> yet you still have it there - ego!!<br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...I just wasn't selected for the USIRT.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Face it - you did not even get on the field let alone go to the game<br /><br />George