Dwayne: ?????

[old] Ulysses Nigel Owen · Post by **[old] Ulysses Nigel Owen** » January 16th, 2005, 3:47 pm

"Only because of the pettiness and vindictiveness of C2. Dwayne didn't want to wait 6 months and fly to take part in their local race, so they have found some excuse for not "approving" his record. However, his time was verified by a USRIT official, and at least 3 ? other witnesses." Excused me, Mr. Rupp, but exactly which "official" verified Mr. Adam's time? And who were the other witnesses? Yourself, perhaps? Or else how could you make the above statement with such conviction? Have you ever actually met Mr. Adams? Do you know anyone who has? Or you of the habit of taking everyone at their word? If so, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell you. I have been around the rowing world for more years than I would care to admit and I don't know of anyone who can testify to Mr. Adam's accomplishments. In point of fact, some of his friends have admitted to me that they do not believe his posted times. And exactly what "pettiness and vindictiveness" are you accusing the company that sponsors this forum and allow people such as yourself to blather on and on in such a self-preening mode? U.N. Owen, Washington DC

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 16th, 2005, 4:28 pm

How much are you asking for the bridge in Brooklyn. It's a very good possibility that I'm interested. If we can use 1st American Title and Escrow, this would be good for me too.

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » January 16th, 2005, 5:35 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Bayko @ Jan 14 2005, 09:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Dodsy1974 @ Jan 14 2005, 12:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Ahhhh, my error. Musn't go believing everything I read Must be nice to be Dwayne or Ranger and get so much attention. They do say there's no such thing as bad publicity  </td></tr></table> Wasn't it Oscar Wilde who said that "The only thing worse than being talked about, is NOT being talked about?" He probably would have loved the BIRC/ranger episode; at BIRC and afterwards, the most talked about person was someone who did not even compete . Rick </td></tr></table> O.K., Rick. Touche. On the other hand, I am a somewhat different case than Dwayne (and Dwayne can speak for himself on this point). I have showed up at major championsips and elsewhere on many occasions and have indeed rowed--well. As a lightweight, I have now raced six times in open competition and have never lost. Two of those six rows were world records. Three of the six rows were championship records. All of those championship records still stand, even though I didn't row at BIRC or the EIRC this year. Before BIRC in 2003, I also rowed an official world record trial for the USIRT, a _third_ official world record row. Among men, besides me, only Eskild E. now holds all three championsip records. This is infamy and a bad reputation? Get real. You're talking through your hat! ranger

[old] Jon Goodall · Post by **[old] Jon Goodall** » January 16th, 2005, 6:52 pm

Ranger has performed on the World stage and delivered!! Although I was a little suprised at his not racing at BIRC 04 he has proved himself before. I must admit, i've made a few jokes about Rangers not racing at BIRC but that's just been lighthearted jesting He's won major titles, set championship & world records ......... How much is enough?? Jon

[old] Bayko · Post by **[old] Bayko** » January 17th, 2005, 3:41 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (ranger @ Jan 16 2005, 09:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Bayko @ Jan 14 2005, 09:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Wasn't it Oscar Wilde who said that "The only thing worse than being talked about, is NOT being talked about?" He probably would have loved the BIRC/ranger episode; at BIRC and afterwards, the most talked about person was someone who did not even compete . Rick </td></tr></table> O.K., Rick. Touche. On the other hand, I am a somewhat different case than Dwayne (and Dwayne can speak for himself on this point). I have showed up at major championsips and elsewhere on many occasions and have indeed rowed--well. As a lightweight, I have now raced six times in open competition and have never lost. Two of those six rows were world records. Three of the six rows were championship records. All of those championship records still stand, even though I didn't row at BIRC or the EIRC this year. Before BIRC in 2003, I also rowed an official world record trial for the USIRT, a _third_ official world record row. Among men, besides me, only Eskild E. now holds all three championsip records. This is infamy and a bad reputation? Get real. You're talking through your hat! ranger </td></tr></table> Hmmmm. Again, I think you are reading things that aren't there. Please read it more closely. I referred to Oscar Wilde and what he might have thought. Your reply is about something different altogether. Rick

[old] Andreas · Post by **[old] Andreas** » January 18th, 2005, 3:31 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (DIESEL @ Jan 13 2005, 07:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Andreas - are you jealous? You obviously are. Now explain how he got on the US Indoor Team a couple of years back, with what you claim are "fabricated scores?" Here's a tip, hater boy, STFU. Or better yet, stop starting bullshit on this board with one of the nicest, most helpful guys on here and start training. Hard. Real hard. Maybe then you'll start to approach his times. Have a nice day, you hater a-hole. D  </td></tr></table> This is for all your emotional guys out there: Stars looking at the facts !!!!! My experiance with emotional people, is that it doent help talking to them becuase they dont want to be convinced, no matter what the facts state. Maybe I must summarised the facts once more Fact:only public result 2002 BIRC 7 :24.9 Fact : didnt compete in EIRC(was part of US team-fell inthe shower) Fact: did claim a time of 6:01 in March 2002 Fact: C2 is NOT recognising his claim for a WR The rest is all Claims and that is a fact(if that makes any sence) Time of 5:49 was a claim he made(Look on the ranking and you will see you still have the option of looking at Dwayne profile next to that entry.When C2 post times, you dont have that option)

[old] Andreas · Post by **[old] Andreas** » January 18th, 2005, 3:44 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (DIESEL @ Jan 14 2005, 01:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>chickenlegs, yet another hater creeping out of the woodwork... so you don't think erging over 30K and lifting weights to boot EVERY DAY to be "full time training?" What bizarre universe do you live in? Sounds like a lot to me. How much do you put in each day? that might explain why you are slow and Dwayne is not. If Dwayne was a fraud as you say, why would C2 certify his WR, why would C2 name him to their Indoor Team - how did he manage to pull that one off? and finally why would Dwayne be stupid enough to even claim it? Sooner or later he would have to prove himself. Why would anyone risk such personal embarassment - and for what? Please explain to me how he's fooled everyone except you two jealous knuckleheads. My god you and Andreas have not only shown yourselves to have no class, and a bunch of jealous a-holes, but I question your intelligence as well. When you give me legitimate answers to the questions I have posed, then maybe I won't think you're a complete idiot. Until then, STFU, and take from Dwayne's example. Bust your ass, train hard, put in the work, and you'll be fast too. </td></tr></table> Obviously you dont know what you talking about,and I think you need to do some homework before you came back with yet other emotional reply

[old] whp4 · Post by **[old] whp4** » January 18th, 2005, 4:35 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Maybe I must summarised the facts once more Fact:only public result 2002 BIRC 7 :24.9 Fact : didnt compete in EIRC(was part of US team-fell inthe shower) Fact: did claim a time of 6:01 in March 2002 Fact: C2 is NOT recognising his claim for a WR  </td></tr></table> Well, Andreas, without taking a position on whether or not Dwayne has accomplished those stellar rows at the top of all the rankings, I have to point out some errors in your "facts". "Fact: only public result 2002 BIRC 7 :24.9" Incorrect: 2003 Long Beach Sprints (Southern CA CRASH-B qualifying regatta) Master Men 30-39 1. Dwayne Adams, USIRT, 7:00.8 "Fact: C2 is NOT recognising his claim for a WR" They are being consistent with their (new?) policy in doing so. From their <a href='http://www.concept2.com/rowing/racing/2000_m_rec.asp' target='_blank'>World Record Times for 2000 Meters</a> page: "*Please note that all 2000 meter record-breaking times must be rowed at a Concept2 sanctioned indoor rowing event with witnesses present. In addition all 2000 meter record-breaking times must be rowed on Concept2 Indoor Rowers without Slides." That C2 isn't recognizing his claim doesn't necessarily mean they don't believe him; he didn't meet the (reasonable, I think) conditions for them to do so. Let's say Dwayne shows up at some C2 sanctioned event and rips off a sub-6:00 2k. Will you be as vocal in your congratulations?

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 18th, 2005, 5:11 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (whp4 @ Jan 18 2005, 12:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> They are being consistent with their (new?) policy in doing so. From their <a href='http://www.concept2.com/rowing/racing/2000_m_rec.asp' target='_blank'>World Record Times for 2000 Meters</a> page: "*Please note that all 2000 meter record-breaking times must be rowed at a Concept2 sanctioned indoor rowing event with witnesses present. In addition all 2000 meter record-breaking times must be rowed on Concept2 Indoor Rowers without Slides."  </td></tr></table> C2 is not being consistent, as both the current lwt and hwt world records were set at events that were not santioned by C2. They might have "approved" of the events in retrospect. However, they could very well have done the same for the event at which Dwayne Adams set his record. There was a USIRT official present, as well as additional witnesses.

[old] DIESEL · Post by **[old] DIESEL** » January 18th, 2005, 6:30 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Andreas @ Jan 18 2005, 02:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>  </td></tr></table> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Obviously you dont know what you talking about,and I think you need to do some homework before you came back with yet other emotional reply </td></tr></table> Andreas, If you think about it, NEITHER OF US KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT ON THE ISSUE OF DWAYNE'S TIMES. You have as much proof of Dwayne's performance as I do. The only difference is that I take him at his word and you don't. We can debate that all you want, but it really isn't going to change my mind unless I see Dwayne do a 2K and totally tank. If you have an issue with his times because they are faster than yours - THEN CHALLENGE HIM TO A RACE. He says he'll be at the Masters Worlds this year - you can say it to his face there. But when you basically call him a liar based on circumstantial evidence and without any kind of concrete proof - other than some meet from 3 years ago...that is totally lacking in class. That kind of punk-ass behavior is what provokes my "emotional reply." I'll say it, and say it again. You, sir, are a "very unlikeable person" (edited by billp at concept2 - who has MUCH better things to do with his time than edit old saxon words from this forum). Have a nice day. D

[old] Dodsy1974 · Post by **[old] Dodsy1974** » January 19th, 2005, 3:53 am

All this school ground name calling is very juvenile At the end of the day opinions are just that, an opinion! Everyone's entitled to their own. "A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof" “The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion.

[old] PaulH · Post by **[old] PaulH** » January 19th, 2005, 10:57 am

Bill at C2, who very kindly provides this forum, really doesn't like censorship. Neither do I. That's why the following is only a request - I'm not going to delete/close this topic, or edit the posts, and I strongly doubt Bill will either. Please stop swearing, and stop insulting people. Question somebody's ideas, challenge their preconceptions, by all means prove that what they say is not true. But please remain civil. Note: This is not a reply to any one post above. Everyone needs to remember to be civil. Cheers, Paul

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » January 19th, 2005, 11:43 am

Hmm, what about "Civil" War? What I find most amazing, is that the Dwayne supporters seem to be Andreas Bashers, pretty much doing a 180 on what they state as their own principles of "being fair, taking people at their word, etc..." I've met Andreas and communicated with Dwayne, both seem to be regular guys working hard toward attaining their goals. Dwayne has been the initiator of several "smack talk" threads, which are recognized as being reasonably good natured, though certainly could have been blown out of proportion as this thread has, but no-one chose to get upset. Andreas has pretty well proven his capacity for race day performance and doesn't seem to talk much about his training. Why not get back to the general business of a forum and have some suggestions that are useful?

[old] DIESEL · Post by **[old] DIESEL** » January 19th, 2005, 12:04 pm

To the board: I apologize for losing my cool. However, what Andreas did is not cool, either. There are other ways of getting to the bottom of this other than implying that Dwayne is a liar because his times may or may not be faster than yours. Dwayne has been very open, to me at least, about his training, and I have no reason to doubt his word. If we trained in the same gym, I have no doubt we would be friends... Anyway, it insults me when people resort to that tactic to try and make a point. It's petty. really. If he has an issue with Dwayne's time, don't call him a liar, just challenge him to a race, and hopefully Dwayne takes the challenge and beats him just to shut him up. Sorry again for incurring the dreaded censor. Hopefully, you guys aren't as bad as the FCC. Andreas and the othersw, I apologize for calling you guys a-holes. I just think you could have handled your doubts a little better, just as I could have handled my outrage a little better. Peace, D

[old] michaelb · Post by **[old] michaelb** » January 19th, 2005, 12:27 pm

Andreas did challenge Dwayne to a race in November using rowpro. <a href='http://concept2.ipbhost.com/index.php?s ... &hl=dwayne' target='_blank'>Dwayne</a>

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