2k And 500m

[old] tuna6135 · Post by **[old] tuna6135** » November 29th, 2005, 12:29 am

I was wondering what my erg time should be for a 2000m and a 500m. I am 115lbs. and i am 15 years old. i am about 5 foot 7. what should my split time be? <br />does anyone know?<br /><br />Thank You.

[old] Matt Newman · Post by **[old] Matt Newman** » November 29th, 2005, 3:07 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(tuna6135 @ Nov 29 2005, 04:29 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I was wondering what my erg time should be for a 2000m and a 500m. I am 115lbs. and i am 15 years old. i am about 5 foot 7. what should my split time be? <br />does anyone know?<br /><br />Thank You. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />It depends on some of these factors:<br />General aerobic fitness<br />Strength (rowing muscles in particular of course)<br />Determination (ability to put yourself through pain)<br />Technique<br />Race pacing (don't set off too fast)<br /><br />The difference in your 2k & 500m splits (500m pace times) should be in the region of 8 - 12 secs I would say.<br /><br />115lbs - let me get my calculator...<br />52KG!!! <br /><br />Hmm - I'd start my aiming for a 500m of 1:50 and a 2k pace of 2:00 = 8:00<br />Take it from there.<br />Good luck! <br /><br />

[old] tuna6135 · Post by **[old] tuna6135** » November 30th, 2005, 12:49 am

Thanks i'll try it

[old] Godfried · Post by **[old] Godfried** » November 30th, 2005, 2:59 am

From the <a href='http://www.concept2.com/sranking03/get_wrankings.asp' target='_blank'>online rankings</a><br /><br /><table width='95%' cellspacing='1' cellpadding='3' border='0' align='center'><tr><td><b><div class='genmed'>CODE</div></b></td></tr><tr><td class='code'><div>Marco Benedetti 15 Columbus OH USA 500 01:38.3 IND 01:38.3<br />Marco Benedetti 15 Columbus OH USA 2000 07:10.3 IND 01:47.6<br /><br />Andrew Koenig 15 Buffalo NY USA 500 01:45.3 IND 01:45.3<br />Andrew Koenig 15 Buffalo NY USA 2000 07:35.1 IND 01:53.8<br /><br />Will Schlitzer 15 Mattapoisett MA USA 500 01:46.9 IND 01:46.9<br />Will Schlitzer 15 Mattapoisett MA USA 2000 07:41.0 IND 01:55.3<br /><br />Chris Niswander 15 Toledo OH USA 500 01:48.3 IND 01:48.3<br />Chris Niswander 15 Toledo OH USA 2000 07:30.5 IND 01:52.6<br /><br />alex buzby 15 bala cynwyd pa USA 500 01:56.0 IND 01:56.0<br />alex buzby 15 bala cynwyd pa USA 2000 08:16.4 IND 02:04.1<br /><br />jonathan miller 15 lynbrook ny USA 500 01:56.9 IND 01:56.9<br />jonathan miller 15 lynbrook ny USA 2000 07:19.7 IND 01:49.9<br /><br />Grady Bowman 15 Twin Falls ID USA 500 01:58.0 IND 01:58.0<br />Grady Bowman 15 Twin Falls ID USA 2000 08:52.0 IND 02:13.0<br /><br />Ben Montague 15 Ada MI USA 500 02:25.0 IND 02:25.0<br />Ben Montague 15 Ada MI USA 2000 08:13.2 IND 02:03.3</div></td></tr></table>

[old] tuna6135 · Post by **[old] tuna6135** » December 5th, 2005, 1:29 am

Im a girl. Sorry thanks for trying to help though

[old] Godfried · Post by **[old] Godfried** » December 5th, 2005, 8:19 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(tuna6135 @ Dec 5 2005, 07:29 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Im a girl. Sorry thanks for trying to help though <br /> </td></tr></table><br />From the rankings<br /><table width='95%' cellspacing='1' cellpadding='3' border='0' align='center'><tr><td><b><div class='genmed'>CODE</div></b></td></tr><tr><td class='code'><div>Chihiro Fukushima 15 Canterbury GBR 500 01:52.1 IND<br />Chihiro Fukushima 15 Canterbury GBR 2000 08:05.9 IND<br /><br />Abigail Penrose 15 Evesham GBR 500 01:55.0 IND<br />Abigail Penrose 15 Evesham GBR 2000 08:17.0 IND<br /><br />india wells 15 glen echo md USA 500 01:58.8 IND<br />india wells 15 glen echo md USA 2000 08:36.3 IND<br /><br />Liz Carney 15 British Columbia CAN 500 02:01.6 IND<br />Liz Carney 15 British Columbia CAN 2000 08:17.0 IND<br /><br />Savannah Cookson 15 Alpharetta GA USA 500 02:06.1 IND<br />Savannah Cookson 15 Alpharetta GA USA 2000 09:25.4 IND<br /></div></td></tr></table><br />And you can look at the results of <a href='http://www.concept2.co.uk/birc/results.php' target='_blank'>birc</a> or <a href='http://www.c2euroopen.dk/result.php' target='_blank'>euro open</a>.

[old] tuna6135 · Post by **[old] tuna6135** » December 20th, 2005, 7:41 pm

Thank you.

[old] Xeno · Post by **[old] Xeno** » December 20th, 2005, 8:21 pm

Hi Tuna.<br /><br />I have another piece of information for you.<br /><br />In different Olympic teams, when a 500 meter is rowed flat out, full tilt, so hard that you do not want to take another stroke beyond, that should be in the ball park of 107% of your max 2K split time.<br />The 500 meter time is broken down into seconds to calculate the 100% 2K time. This is with the assumption that training has been consistent.<br /><br />I hope this helps.<br /><br />XENO

[old] onethirtyfive · Post by **[old] onethirtyfive** » December 20th, 2005, 8:30 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Xeno @ Dec 20 2005, 10:21 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Hi Tuna.<br /><br />I have another piece of information for you.<br /><br />In different Olympic teams, when a 500 meter is rowed flat out, full tilt, so hard that you do not want to take another stroke beyond, that should be in the ball park of 107% of your max 2K split time.<br />The 500 meter time is broken down into seconds to calculate the 100% 2K time. This is with the assumption that training has been consistent.<br /><br />I hope this helps.<br /><br />XENO <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Not really a big help, means I should be doing 6:00 2ks .... woe is me <br />

[old] Mark Keating · Post by **[old] Mark Keating** » December 20th, 2005, 9:02 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Xeno @ Dec 20 2005, 07:21 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Hi Tuna.<br /><br />I have another piece of information for you.<br /><br />In different Olympic teams, when a 500 meter is rowed flat out, full tilt, so hard that you do not want to take another stroke beyond, that should be in the ball park of 107% of your max 2K split time.<br />The 500 meter time is broken down into seconds to calculate the 100% 2K time. This is with the assumption that training has been consistent.<br /><br />I hope this helps.<br /><br />XENO <br /> </td></tr></table><br />So if my 500 PB is 1:30 then in theory my 2K splits should be 1:36ish (90*1.07) ?<br /><br />And if my 2K PB split is 1:50, then I should be able to pull 1:42ish (110/1.07) for a flat-out 500?

[old] Xeno · Post by **[old] Xeno** » December 21st, 2005, 4:35 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Mark Keating @ Dec 20 2005, 06:02 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Xeno @ Dec 20 2005, 07:21 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Hi Tuna.<br /><br />I have another piece of information for you.<br /><br />In different Olympic teams, when a 500 meter is rowed flat out, full tilt, so hard that you do not want to take another stroke beyond, that should be in the ball park of 107% of your max 2K split time.<br />The 500 meter time is broken down into seconds to calculate the 100% 2K time. This is with the assumption that training has been consistent.<br /><br />I hope this helps.<br /><br />XENO <br /> </td></tr></table><br />So if my 500 PB is 1:30 then in theory my 2K splits should be 1:36ish (90*1.07) ?<br /><br />And if my 2K PB split is 1:50, then I should be able to pull 1:42ish (110/1.07) for a flat-out 500? <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Hi everyone<br />This is an estimatimation.<br />These percentages were determined on water under perfect conditions. I feel comfortable to believe that we can do the same with indoor rowing since there are far fewer variables that affect a final result. One very important point is how fit a rower is aerobically. A non trained athlete will have a far superior 500meter max than a 2000 meter max. An individual who puts in three to four rows per week will find that their 500 meter max is still far superior to the 2K. Maybe we could even calculate 110%. If the MAX effort is increased to 1000 meters the error margin is reduced. In the end, rowing a five hundred and a thousand meter in preparation for a later 2K is very important for a competitor to learn self pacing. Shorter distances help a competitor gage their 2k capability.<br />I hope this clarifies these percentage ideas.<br />XENO

[old] Mark Keating · Post by **[old] Mark Keating** » December 21st, 2005, 5:39 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Xeno @ Dec 21 2005, 03:35 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Mark Keating @ Dec 20 2005, 06:02 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Xeno @ Dec 20 2005, 07:21 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Hi Tuna.<br /><br />I have another piece of information for you.<br /><br />In different Olympic teams, when a 500 meter is rowed flat out, full tilt, so hard that you do not want to take another stroke beyond, that should be in the ball park of 107% of your max 2K split time.<br />The 500 meter time is broken down into seconds to calculate the 100% 2K time. This is with the assumption that training has been consistent.<br /><br />I hope this helps.<br /><br />XENO <br /> </td></tr></table><br />So if my 500 PB is 1:30 then in theory my 2K splits should be 1:36ish (90*1.07) ?<br /><br />And if my 2K PB split is 1:50, then I should be able to pull 1:42ish (110/1.07) for a flat-out 500? <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Hi everyone<br />This is an estimatimation.<br />These percentages were determined on water under perfect conditions. I feel comfortable to believe that we can do the same with indoor rowing since there are far fewer variables that affect a final result. One very important point is how fit a rower is aerobically. A non trained athlete will have a far superior 500meter max than a 2000 meter max. An individual who puts in three to four rows per week will find that their 500 meter max is still far superior to the 2K. Maybe we could even calculate 110%. If the MAX effort is increased to 1000 meters the error margin is reduced. In the end, rowing a five hundred and a thousand meter in preparation for a later 2K is very important for a competitor to learn self pacing. Shorter distances help a competitor gage their 2k capability.<br />I hope this clarifies these percentage ideas.<br />XENO <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Thanks Xeno. That's what I thought, just wanted to double-check.

[old] Xeno · Post by **[old] Xeno** » December 22nd, 2005, 1:27 am

Good one Mark.<br />Who do you log your miles with on the world ranking?<br />If you are a stray, join us.<br />XENO

[old] SteveV · Post by **[old] SteveV** » December 22nd, 2005, 2:52 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Xeno @ Dec 21 2005, 10:35 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Mark Keating @ Dec 20 2005, 06:02 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Xeno @ Dec 20 2005, 07:21 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Hi Tuna.<br /><br />I have another piece of information for you.<br /><br />In different Olympic teams, when a 500 meter is rowed flat out, full tilt, so hard that you do not want to take another stroke beyond, that should be in the ball park of 107% of your max 2K split time.<br />The 500 meter time is broken down into seconds to calculate the 100% 2K time. This is with the assumption that training has been consistent.<br /><br />I hope this helps.<br /><br />XENO <br /> </td></tr></table><br />So if my 500 PB is 1:30 then in theory my 2K splits should be 1:36ish (90*1.07) ?<br /><br />And if my 2K PB split is 1:50, then I should be able to pull 1:42ish (110/1.07) for a flat-out 500? <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Hi everyone<br />This is an estimatimation.<br />These percentages were determined on water under perfect conditions. I feel comfortable to believe that we can do the same with indoor rowing since there are far fewer variables that affect a final result. One very important point is how fit a rower is aerobically. A non trained athlete will have a far superior 500meter max than a 2000 meter max. An individual who puts in three to four rows per week will find that their 500 meter max is still far superior to the 2K. Maybe we could even calculate 110%. If the MAX effort is increased to 1000 meters the error margin is reduced. In the end, rowing a five hundred and a thousand meter in preparation for a later 2K is very important for a competitor to learn self pacing. Shorter distances help a competitor gage their 2k capability.<br />I hope this clarifies these percentage ideas.<br />XENO <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Doesn't seem to work out well for me, way out<br /><br />500m - 1:25.7 (not particularly fast for a m40h)<br />your method predicts a 2km time of 6:06.7 (WR pace)<br />my 2km best 6:31.4<br /><br />

[old] Xeno · Post by **[old] Xeno** » December 22nd, 2005, 2:58 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(SteveV @ Dec 21 2005, 11:52 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Xeno @ Dec 21 2005, 10:35 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Mark Keating @ Dec 20 2005, 06:02 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Xeno @ Dec 20 2005, 07:21 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Hi Tuna.<br /><br />I have another piece of information for you.<br /><br />In different Olympic teams, when a 500 meter is rowed flat out, full tilt, so hard that you do not want to take another stroke beyond, that should be in the ball park of 107% of your max 2K split time.<br />The 500 meter time is broken down into seconds to calculate the 100% 2K time. This is with the assumption that training has been consistent.<br /><br />I hope this helps.<br /><br />XENO <br /> </td></tr></table><br />So if my 500 PB is 1:30 then in theory my 2K splits should be 1:36ish (90*1.07) ?<br /><br />And if my 2K PB split is 1:50, then I should be able to pull 1:42ish (110/1.07) for a flat-out 500? <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Hi everyone<br />This is an estimatimation.<br />These percentages were determined on water under perfect conditions. I feel comfortable to believe that we can do the same with indoor rowing since there are far fewer variables that affect a final result. One very important point is how fit a rower is aerobically. A non trained athlete will have a far superior 500meter max than a 2000 meter max. An individual who puts in three to four rows per week will find that their 500 meter max is still far superior to the 2K. Maybe we could even calculate 110%. If the MAX effort is increased to 1000 meters the error margin is reduced. In the end, rowing a five hundred and a thousand meter in preparation for a later 2K is very important for a competitor to learn self pacing. Shorter distances help a competitor gage their 2k capability.<br />I hope this clarifies these percentage ideas.<br />XENO <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Doesn't seem to work out well for me, way out<br /><br />500m - 1:25.7 (not particularly fast for a m40h)<br />your method predicts a 2km time of 6:06.7 (WR pace)<br />my 2km best 6:31.4 <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Hey, 125.7 is pretty fast. I muster a 122 a while ago. As I said there needs to be a solid amount of aerobic conditioning done to make these percentages true. Is the men's 606 world record? I thought it was below 6.<br />XENO

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