Improved Hdl Cholesterol 3s From Rowing??????

[[old] michael]

<!--QuoteBegin-Mark Keating+Oct 27 2005, 12:26 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Mark Keating @ Oct 27 2005, 12:26 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I find your discussion regarding hemp and flax seed interesting - I grew hemp on our farm for the first time this year and have about 70 000 lbs in the bin.  Care to make an offer? </td></tr></table><br /><br />I don't imagine I can store that much! This week I purchased around 25 lbs. of unshelled hemp seed from a supplier in NYC--more muscle mass is just around the corner! It's interesting how hemp is far better known in Canada than in the U.S. where it is unfairly associated with its evil twin, marijuana. Its still illegal to grow it in the U.S., though in reading various newsletters, it appears that N. Dakota will be allowed to harvest hemp in the near future. Interestingly enough, back in U.S. colonial times, hemp was deemed so important a food and fiber product that it was illegal NOT to grow it! <br /><br />You may be interested to know that Canada's own Brendan Brazier, the 2003 ultramarathon national champion lauds the nutritional properties of hemp protein and it serves as the primary ingredient in his award winning meal replacement formula, Vega.<br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am also currently processing flax seed for our neighbour who markets large volumes into the U.S. pet food market as well as to the human edible market. Especially interesting is the retail price of $1/lb for flax seed.  Farmers in our area currently receive about $0.12 per lb for what they produce. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />One of my other favorite superfoods--I actually have the Flax Council of Canada bookmarked and check it regularly for news and nutrition info. Flax, quite possibly offers the 'biggest bang for the buck' for its nutritional profile compared to cost. I purchase high quality seeds for US $1.00/lb and use it everyday. It doesn't surprise me that most of what is grown is used as pet food since the same holds true for hemp (bird seed) and soybeans (cattle feed).<br /><br />It's great that you're involved with hemp and flax. I would love to visit Canada again in the near future, this time to see the harvesting and processing of these foods close up.<br /><br /><br />

[LindaM]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Oct 27 2005, 12:03 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Oct 27 2005, 12:03 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-LindaM+Oct 20 2005, 11:18 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(LindaM @ Oct 20 2005, 11:18 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->New cholesterol report as of yesterday:<br /><br />Total 241 </td></tr></table><br /><br />Let's not get carried away.<br /><br />Linda is making great progress, definitely. <br /><br />But a 241 reading for total cholesterol is still very high.<br /> <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Total cholesterol is a function of HDL + LDL + 20% T. Total cholesterol should be below 200. But the higher HDL is, the better it is. These statements are everywhere in the literature, but they are contradictory. If my HDL was 42 points lower, it would still be above 60 and my total cholesterol would be below 200. So what's better, exceptionally high HDL or total cholesterol below 200? My reading tells me that the ratio of HDL to total cholesterol is more important than the total cholesterol. My ratio is 2.3:1, far superior to the 3.5:1 considered good. Is that complacent?

[[old] John Rupp]

Yes because 241 is way too much fat in your bloodstream.

[LindaM]

The following is a further explanation of gender differences and risk factors particularly for post menopausal women from Health Centers Online<br /><br /><a href='http://heart.healthcentersonline.com/ch ... women3.cfm' target='_blank'>http://heart.healthcentersonline.com/ch ... cfm</a><br /><br />After menopause, a woman’s key risk factors for developing coronary artery disease (CAD) change. Whereas her main risk factor had been a high total cholesterol level, her risk factors after menopause become low HDL cholesterol and high triglycerides (another type of fat in the blood). Therefore, a postmenopausal woman could have a high total cholesterol level but still not have an elevated risk for heart disease, as long as her HDL cholesterol level was high and her triglycerides were low. Whereas LDL cholesterol levels are less important for postmenopausal women’s development of CAD, they are strongly associated with men’s risk of developing CAD.<br /><br />

[[old] John Rupp]

I would love to use hemp seed but all the hemp seed in the U.S. is radiated -- and that's a major concern.<br /><br />It is nice that Canada is more progressive than the U.S. and not surprising. <br /><br />It would be great if we could use and grow hemp here as well.<br /><br />Hemp still makes the strongest rope, longest lasting clothes, and 6 times the amount of paper can be made from hemp as from trees. Also the paper is stronger and much longer lasting. Hemp was banned in the U.S. in 1937 because it was a threat to the paper and timber industries.

[[old] michael]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Oct 28 2005, 11:36 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Oct 28 2005, 11:36 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I would love to use hemp seed but all the hemp seed in the U.S. is radiated -- and that's a major concern. </td></tr></table><br /><br />I checked on this some time ago. Hemp seed does not undergo irradiation to rid the seed coats of any trace amount of THC, rather it's steamed.<br /><br />From hempfood.com:<br /><br />"Since thousands of tons of hempseed are imported into the U.S. every year (1,000,000 pounds in 1995, mostly for bird seed) an infrastructure exists for sterilization of the imported viable hempseed. There is only one facility in the U.S. authorized by the DEA to receive the imported viable seed under customs bond, and due to DEA red-tape they probably wish they didn't even do the business. They cook or steam the hempseed at 212° F for 15 minutes, then release it to the consignee or customer with a certificate of sterilization. I have never heard of radiation used to sterilize hempseed in the U.S., or elsewhere. Additionally, it wouldn't be economically feasible to do so, it is not warranted, and there are few facilities for it."<br /><br /><br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hemp still makes the strongest rope, longest lasting clothes, and 6 times the amount of paper can be made from hemp as from trees.  Also the paper is stronger and much longer lasting.  Hemp was banned in the U.S. in 1937 because it was a threat to the paper and timber industries. </td></tr></table><br /><br />I'd say your knowledge on hemp and its history is spot on. Henry Ford also created a viable biodiesel using hemp back in the 1920's. The petroleum industry would have none of it...and that was the end of that. The Magna Carta, U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independance were all printed on hemp, and was farmed by Thomas Jefferson and George Washington.<br />

[[old] afolpe]

<!--QuoteBegin-LindaM+Oct 28 2005, 10:14 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(LindaM @ Oct 28 2005, 10:14 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Oct 27 2005, 12:03 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Oct 27 2005, 12:03 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-LindaM+Oct 20 2005, 11:18 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(LindaM @ Oct 20 2005, 11:18 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->New cholesterol report as of yesterday:<br /><br />Total 241 </td></tr></table><br /><br />Let's not get carried away.<br /><br />Linda is making great progress, definitely. <br /><br />But a 241 reading for total cholesterol is still very high.<br /> <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Total cholesterol is a function of HDL + LDL + 20% T. Total cholesterol should be below 200. But the higher HDL is, the better it is. These statements are everywhere in the literature, but they are contradictory. If my HDL was 42 points lower, it would still be above 60 and my total cholesterol would be below 200. So what's better, exceptionally high HDL or total cholesterol below 200? My reading tells me that the ratio of HDL to total cholesterol is more important than the total cholesterol. My ratio is 2.3:1, far superior to the 3.5:1 considered good. Is that complacent? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />The more you look into it, the more confusing the whole total cholesterol vs high LDL vs total cholesterol/ HDL vs LDL/HDl ratio gets. My overall sense from reading the literature is that HDL/LDL ratio makes the most sense, and yours is obviously excellent. I've been totally unable to find these quoted figures for "world cholesterol levels" (and would note that a large portion of those people are slowly dying of malnutrition...) but I'd love to see the source, if we could be given it. As far as I can tell, the best advice is to do what you can to increase your HDL (exercise) and do what you can to lower your LDL (maybe low fat, maybe not), without resorting to statins or fad diets.<br /><br />Andrew<br />

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-afolpe+Oct 28 2005, 01:20 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(afolpe @ Oct 28 2005, 01:20 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->My overall sense from reading the literature is that HDL/LDL ratio makes the most sense, and yours is obviously excellent.[right] </td></tr></table><br />Linda,<br /><br />If a medical doctor feeding you garbage like that doesn't scare the bloody crap out of you then nothing will. <br /><br />Cheers and all the best.

[[old] John Rupp]

Michael,<br /><br />Thanks much for sharing your knowledge about hemp.<br /><br />I am glad to see it is not radiated, although I don't believe all the truth is being told.<br /><br />Much of grocery store food is radiated, including vegetables and fruit, many of these also being soaked in high concentrations of toxic chlorine.<br /><br />I have a picture of Henry Ford bashing a sledge hammer into the side of one of his hemp bodied cars.<br /><br />The result???? Not even a dent.

[[old] John Rupp]

Presuming the seeds are just steamed though and not radiated, that still renders them dead and not capable of germination.<br /><br />I do prefer eating foods that still has the life energy within them.<br /><br />Thus I wonder what benefits you see from eating hemp seed that has been steamed for 15 minutes.

[[old] John Rupp]

It didn't take long to find the link anyway.<br /><br /><a href='http://www.hempplastic.com/newSite/' target='_blank'>http://www.hempplastic.com/newSite/</a><br /><br /><img src='http://www.hempplastic.com/newSite/images/soycar.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[[old] afolpe]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Oct 28 2005, 03:47 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Oct 28 2005, 03:47 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-afolpe+Oct 28 2005, 01:20 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(afolpe @ Oct 28 2005, 01:20 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->My overall sense from reading the literature is that HDL/LDL ratio makes the most sense, and yours is obviously excellent.[right] </td></tr></table><br />Linda,<br /><br />If a medical doctor feeding you garbage like that doesn't scare the bloody crap out of you then nothing will. <br /><br />Cheers and all the best. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />"Next time you are on a message board and you see a post by somebody whom you think is a troll, and you feel you must reply, simply write a follow-up message entitled "Troll Alert" and type only this:<br /><br />The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.<br /><br />By posting such a message, you let the troll know that you know what he is, and that you are not going to get dragged into his twisted little hobby."<br /><br />From:http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm

[[old] John Rupp]

"Troll Alert" -- Andrew Folpe the Quack!

[[old] DavidW]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Oct 29 2005, 09:12 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Oct 29 2005, 09:12 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"Troll Alert" -- Andrew Folpe the Quack!          <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yeah John. Har har bloddy har. You're a joke

[[old] Yukon John]

To get back to the cholesteral issue, I really do think you should read the China Study. I borrowed it from the library so I don't have it handy, but it does look into what a good total cholesteral figure should be based on research done on healthy populations.