Hypertension, anti hypertensives, and rowing performance

[smutav]

Paul, im glad you have finally come to some sort of admission albeit begrudgingly and contrite, probably without your own realisation as such. I think you might have a case of what i call intellectual arrogance and please dont take offence. Its my diagnosis based on the sheer arrogance of your comments, abuse of my comments and denial of the fundamental message of my original post which you have horribly misconstrued and countered with what you would call undeniable justification which is interesting for a subject in which essentially there is comparatively little research, certainly no great consensus and definitely conjecture.
Rather than continue the mundane discussion i think we can agree to disagree. You take the high road and ill take the high road in the other direction, meet you at the top
Good luck with your BORG, i ll stick to my basic HR max, whichever formula i choose, i prefer something more objective than subjective.
adios sir

[hjs]

Paul, im glad you have finally come to some sort of admission albeit begrudgingly and contrite, probably without your own realisation as such. I think you might have a case of what i call intellectual arrogance and please dont take offence. Its my diagnosis based on the sheer arrogance of your comments, abuse of my comments and denial of the fundamental message of my original post which you have horribly misconstrued and countered with what you would call undeniable justification which is interesting for a subject in which essentially there is comparatively little research, certainly no great consensus and definitely conjecture.
Rather than continue the mundane discussion i think we can agree to disagree. You take the high road and ill take the high road in the other direction, meet you at the top
Good luck with your BORG, i ll stick to my basic HR max, whichever formula i choose, i prefer something more objective than subjective.
adios sir

I have a friend who rows on Hr, in his 40, his max hf is around 160, min also very low, if he would use your ramdomly choosen 170, he would try to kill himself every row. Ofcourse he does not and uses not ome random number, but his real hf numbers.

[PaulH]

Paul, im glad you have finally come to some sort of admission albeit begrudgingly and contrite, probably without your own realisation as such. I think you might have a case of what i call intellectual arrogance and please dont take offence. Its my diagnosis based on the sheer arrogance of your comments, abuse of my comments and denial of the fundamental message of my original post which you have horribly misconstrued and countered with what you would call undeniable justification which is interesting for a subject in which essentially there is comparatively little research, certainly no great consensus and definitely conjecture.
Rather than continue the mundane discussion i think we can agree to disagree. You take the high road and ill take the high road in the other direction, meet you at the top
Good luck with your BORG, i ll stick to my basic HR max, whichever formula i choose, i prefer something more objective than subjective.
adios sir

Not really an admission. I have never claimed, in this thread or anywhere else, that you should exercise above your max heart rate. My reasons for that are very different to yours - you say it's because you will do yourself harm, I say because it's physically impossible unless you're having a major cardiac event at that moment, in which case you should definitely stop. But I'm happy to agree to disagree on that.

But as to my misinterpretation of what you said... Well, here's what you said, why don't you tell me how I misinterpreted it:

There are many max HR formulae...the most basic being 220 - age...ie.if 50 yo DO NOT for an extended period of time - anytime for that matter !...push your HR over 170 bpm, this will do more harm than good, you WILL cause damage to your body.

[PaulH]

I have a friend who rows on Hr, in his 40, his max hf is around 160, min also very low, if he would use your ramdomly choosen 170, he would try to kill himself every row. Ofcourse he does not and uses not ome random number, but his real hf numbers.

By contrast I have a 30-something friend with a max heart rate of 211, so I guess either he either damages himself on just about every ride, or he's actually only 9 years old

[hjs]

I have a friend who rows on Hr, in his 40, his max hf is around 160, min also very low, if he would use your ramdomly choosen 170, he would try to kill himself every row. Ofcourse he does not and uses not ome random number, but his real hf numbers.

By contrast I have a 30-something friend with a max heart rate of 211, so I guess either he either damages himself on just about every ride, or he's actually only 9 years old

Indeed

I also don,t see the problem, If both examples would reach hf 160, the one would look and feel like he on the edge of stopping and the other will bobbeling along and still talking. Percieved effort will be very clear. With a bit of experience it is not difficult to guess ones heartrate, we could compare it with picking up something heavy, do you need to how much it weighs or can you simply judge by feel if it is heavy or not.....

[smutav]

interesting read regarding overtraining to the detriment of the heart
see
http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitnes ... 20130823Z3

[PaulH]

interesting read regarding overtraining to the detriment of the heart
see
http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitnes ... 20130823Z3

What's particularly interesting to me is that the article suggests that extended periods of exercise with your heart rate at (necessarily) relatively low levels is bad, but short intense workouts where your HR would likely surpass your calculated 'maximum' are good.

[Marc Miccio]

Here is a nice review of antihypertensive therapy in athletes:

https://austinpublishinggroup.com/sport ... id1042.pdf

I think you'll find that ACE inhibitors, angiotensin receptor blockers, and dihydropyridine type calcium channel blockers would be the best initial choices for treating hypertension and limiting detrimental effects on athletic performance.

I hope you find this helpful.

Keep on rowing!