"love Handles"

[[old] CAROLE MAC]

<!--QuoteBegin-Ged Musto+Jan 30 2005, 01:23 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Ged Musto @ Jan 30 2005, 01:23 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br /><br />WHEN YOU HAVE DONE HALF AS MUCH AS I HAVE ACHIEVED IN MY CAREER TO DATE LET ME KNOW, IN THE MEANTIME I'D KEEP YOUR MOUTH WELL AND TRULY SHUT!!!<br /><br />MAKE SENSE.<br />GED. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /> Ged you may have done a lot in your career but you obviously didn't learn any manners.....

[[old] Ged Musto]

<!--QuoteBegin-CAROLE MAC+Jan 30 2005, 08:56 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(CAROLE MAC @ Jan 30 2005, 08:56 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Ged Musto+Jan 30 2005, 01:23 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Ged Musto @ Jan 30 2005, 01:23 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br /><br />WHEN YOU HAVE DONE HALF AS MUCH AS I HAVE ACHIEVED IN MY CAREER TO DATE LET ME KNOW, IN THE MEANTIME I'D KEEP YOUR MOUTH WELL AND TRULY SHUT!!!<br /><br />MAKE SENSE.<br />GED. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Ged you may have done a lot in your career but you obviously didn't learn any manners..... <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Carole.<br /><br />The reason I put that in the first place was that I don't like being patronised in such a way by an obvious amateur.<br /><br />There seems to be a new breed of members on the forum from the last time I was participating (Ranger/Canoeist/Paul S/John Rupp etc...) all of which are experts in their chosen fields and I totally respect them all....<br /><br />I only mentioned two particular exercises that have worked for me and I was sharing my professional views and advice, of course I know about body fat and the ethics of how it works but it was taken out of context, and if I have offended anyone, I apologise...each one has their own views and this is why it's called a forum in the first place, to share views and advice!<br /><br />As far as manners are concerned Carole I am normally much more restrained, once again it was not intended to be that way but the sheer wordings in response to my first reply was asking for a more subtle response and if that has offended you Carole I deeply apologise, the thing is I do like a 'fire-fight' but then again I have a vast military background which I was a Physical Training Instructor with the Paras for a couple of years before moving on to greater things...<br /><br />This is my final post on this issue but all I am going to say is that we are not all 'experts' as we believe to be... <br />Ged.

[[old] CAROLE MAC]

Ged I ain't no expert I am learning all the time from people like you and thankyou for your reply

[[old] seat5]

Ged,<br /><br />I'm sure you know more about exercise and nutrition than a lot of us. I'm sure you can do more, physically, than most of us. That's great. But a lot of us don't know anything about you, and you have no right to arrogantly assume that the whole world is going to jump to attention the minute you show up on this forum. You haven't been around on the forum for probably over a year, and a lot of us have never heard of you or your exploits, as amazing as they may be. Some do, of course, and therefore are more apt to listen to you, if they can put aside your abrasive manner. I remember some of the exchanges you were involved with last time you were here, and find your overly volatile, selfish, and arrogant responses compeletely in keeping with what I've seen from you before. I'm sure I can learn a lot from what you say, and respect you for your accomplishments. But it would be nice if you could realize that this is not the military--so do you mind taking off the drill sargeant uniform when you come in here?*<br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />*Bet you look darned good with it off, too.<br />

[[old] Sirrowsalot]

[quote=Ged Musto,Jan 30 2005, 08:23 AM]<br />[quote=Sirrowsalot,Jan 29 2005, 04:31 PM]"I was stipulating exercises and nothing else..."<br /><br /><br />Yes, that's the problem--you were incorrect.  The "pure and simple" response was not "alternate sit-ups and cross over sit-ups/crunches.)  Once again, you can't target fat in specific area. <br />[/quote]<br /><br />WHEN YOU HAVE DONE HALF AS MUCH AS I HAVE ACHIEVED IN MY CAREER TO DATE LET ME KNOW, IN THE MEANTIME I'D KEEP YOUR MOUTH WELL AND TRULY SHUT!!!<br /><br />MAKE SENSE.<br />GED. <br />[/qu<br /><br />I'm certainly no expert, but I thought that your first post was quite patronizing, and wrong of course. In any case, people can decide for themselves by reading the posts.<br />

[[old] Coach Gus]

It's interesting that, unless you lose the fat covering the abs and surrounding areas or any other muscles for that matter, building up the muscles just makes you look fatter. It's impossible to lose fat without diet (what and how much you eat) being considered.

[[old] Sirrowsalot]

<!--QuoteBegin-Coach Gus+Jan 30 2005, 05:28 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Coach Gus @ Jan 30 2005, 05:28 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's interesting that, unless you lose the fat covering the abs and surrounding areas or any other muscles for that matter, building up the muscles just makes you look fatter.  It's impossible to lose fat without diet (what and how much you eat) being considered. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />That's exactly what my understanding was. There's no "pure and simplistic" method to lose the love handles.<br />

[[old] Coach Gus]

<!--QuoteBegin-Sirrowsalot+Jan 30 2005, 03:00 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Sirrowsalot @ Jan 30 2005, 03:00 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Coach Gus+Jan 30 2005, 05:28 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Coach Gus @ Jan 30 2005, 05:28 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's interesting that, unless you lose the fat covering the abs and surrounding areas or any other muscles for that matter, building up the muscles just makes you look fatter.  It's impossible to lose fat without diet (what and how much you eat) being considered. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />That's exactly what my understanding was. There's no "pure and simplistic" method to lose the love handles. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Then, you too, are an expert. <br /><br />Edit: Actually it is pretty "pure and simplistic." Simply use more energy than you consume and do so until the love handles are gone.

[[old] little weed]

personally, i don't think it matters one jot, on ANY forum, whether the person has been around on that forum for days or months or years. most of us here are adults and will form our own opinions anyway, taking all reasonable, and not so reasonable, views into account!<br /><br />as a newbie, i feel inclined to steer clear of people who post in such a manner as ged. i'd rather hear from people who can communicate in a reasonably civilised way, whatever their level of expertise.<br /><br />forum members are all equal in the eyes of their administrator, surely?<br /><br />jane

[[old] gw1]

The amount of actual fat storage in your "love handle" is also a factor of genetics.<br /><br />Different body types store fat at a greater proportion in different areas. <br /><br />The most effective way IMO, to "handle" this situation is through increasing your lean body mass (pick a long term body weight and body fat percentage) with a total body resistance training program (which includes mid-section training), at the same time following the great advise that was written earlier in this thread on understanding the glycemic indecies of foods and the benifits of eating more smaller portion size meals. <br /><br />Last and certainly not least your Concept training routine and any other supplementary CV training that you may do. <br /><br />A balanced approach to training will get you to your goals.<br /><br />Gary

[[old] Byron Drachman]

If you do a google search on spot reduction, you'll find lots of discussions on this topic. Here is one I came across:<br /><br /><a href='http://www.drmirkin.com/fitness/1058.html' target='_blank'>http://www.drmirkin.com/fitness/1058.html</a><br /><br />Byron

[[old] Mark Keating]

Thanks everyone for all the input and ideas. I don't like doing crunches and strict dieting doesn't excite me that much either, so I am just going to stick with the regular erg routine. The love handles are shrinking gradually, so with a little patience I should eventually get rid of them.<br /><br />On a related note - I am very pleased with the muscular development I have experienced since I began erging. However, while my calves, quads, delts, biceps, forearms and lats have better definition, my abs appear to be lagging those other muscle groups in their development. <br /><br />It seems to me that the abs would be the one muscle group that would benefit most from regular erging but then again, what do I know? <br /><br />Is this indicative of poor technique? <br /><br />What have others experienced in their training?<br /><br />thanks again,<br />Mark

[[old] gw1]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->On a related note - I am very pleased with the muscular development I have experienced since I began erging. However, while my calves, quads, delts, biceps, forearms and lats have better definition, my abs appear to be lagging those other muscle groups in their development. <br /><br />It seems to me that the abs would be the one muscle group that would benefit most from regular erging but then again, what do I know? <br /><br />Is this indicative of poor technique? </td></tr></table><br /><br />Mark the extra fat on your abdominal/love handle region does not mean they are not becoming better developed under the fat layer. It is just that on most males the abdominal region is the area that has the greatest propensity to store fat and therefore the last to get rid of it. <br /><br />Gary<br /><br />

[[old] Kudos]

hey mark, I find a lot of time that people do not use their abs in rowing like they should. It takes a hefty amount of body swing to impact the abs at the finish and to swing back up for the recovery. You really have to focus on pressing the elgs down firmly at the end of thier motion and use the hip flexors/abs/lowerback to force open the the finish. I notice a lot of experienced rowers do not use much torso action in their stroke. Thats the majority of the problem with a lot of rowers is that they don't focus on technique 1/5 of the amount that they should. But anyway, a lot of people open their back gradually throughout the entire strokeand there fore isolate their stroke to just legs and arms. They appear to have layback, but thats only because their body is past 90 degrees at the finish, no because they used it to increase the spin on the wheel. A good drill is to spend a lot of time in your warm-up going through the stroke parts. Legs only, legs and back only, etc. Anyway, this is hands on type stuff, but can't hurt to try to explain anayway

[[old] Yoda1]

Mark,<br /><br />Think about how long it took you to develop that roll around the mid-section. It isn't going to come off real quick no matter what you do. Be patient and it will melt away.<br /><br />Gary,<br /><br />A propensity to store fat, huh? Where did that come from? I'm like Mark, I hate ab work, always have and always will. I have finally reached the age that it doesn't seem to make much difference as to how I look, but more how I perform. Besides, I just spent a fairly large sum of money for some "Bell-Bottom T-Shirts". <br /><br />Guess Who