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[Quatroux]

Andy I - 11,315 Better than 5,050 odds here!

I did my first L1 and L2 workouts from the Wolverine Plan this weekend. I cut both of them two intervals short as I do not want to increase my meters too quickly. I am a whole new brand of tired. I call it t-red because I can't be bothered with all the letters.

Congrats to Klye J on the fast start in the FTC.

[TMike]

Training question:

This morning my muscles seemed fatigued. I did stretch and warm up(moderately) before beginning. But my shin,calves, and hamstrings are slightly sore/crampy. In fact I had to stop multiple times for 3-4 seconds to allow my shins/calves to relax in order to keep going (it occurred during recovery/catch). I pushed through (5000m) but with a bad over all time.

Should I take a day off or just wade through it slowly? What does your experience tell you?

Note: If you haven't followed my posts -- I just started back rowing after 12 years, today is my third day of rowing.
I did 5000, 5000 & 2000, and 5000 this morning.

Thanks in advance

EDIT: I forgot to mention that I'm fat and out of shape.

[ronmardix]

* No kidding. In the 2011 Fall Team Challenge, Darlene, a 67-year-old woman from the Age Without Limits team, reported 2,015,134 meters rowed. She is amazing!

Am I calculating this correctly? That's over 5 hours on the rower every day for a month?

[damselfly]

Training question:

This morning my muscles seemed fatigued. I did stretch and warm up(moderately) before beginning. But my shin,calves, and hamstrings are slightly sore/crampy. In fact I had to stop multiple times for 3-4 seconds to allow my shins/calves to relax in order to keep going (it occurred during recovery/catch). I pushed through (5000m) but with a bad over all time.

Should I take a day off or just wade through it slowly? What does your experience tell you?

Note: If you haven't followed my posts -- I just started back rowing after 12 years, today is my third day of rowing.
I did 5000, 5000 & 2000, and 5000 this morning.

Thanks in advance

EDIT: I forgot to mention that I'm fat and out of shape.

I would probably take a day off and do something else to give your rowing muscles a break. Go for a "wog" (walk-jog), or do something else active you enjoy. Gives your muscles and mind a break. Recovery/rest days are important. If you pound through and row every day, you're likely to burn out and throw in the towel. You want to be in this for the long run, and that means not overdoing it.

As far as stretching, don't do too much without warming up!! Traditional "static" stretches (where you stretch and hold the muscle in the elongated position) when your muscles are cold can lead to strain and injury. Do "dynamic" stretches before exercise, or warm up really well before doing static types. Do the static stretches AFTER exercise. Google static and dynamic stretching for more info.

[damselfly]

* No kidding. In the 2011 Fall Team Challenge, Darlene, a 67-year-old woman from the Age Without Limits team, reported 2,015,134 meters rowed. She is amazing!

Am I calculating this correctly? That's over 5 hours on the rower every day for a month?

I have no idea the time involved, but I do know it's a bazillion times more than I'd be willing to do!

[Quatroux]

* No kidding. In the 2011 Fall Team Challenge, Darlene, a 67-year-old woman from the Age Without Limits team, reported 2,015,134 meters rowed. She is amazing!

Am I calculating this correctly? That's over 5 hours on the rower every day for a month?

The fastest 2k time posted this season for a 60-69 year old female is 8:04.2. That’s 2:01.0/500m (197 watts). The fastest full marathon for a 60-69 year old female this season is 3:14:18.8. That is 2:18.1/500m (132.9 watts).

If she could maintain the fastest 2k pace for anyone in her age group for a whopping 4.5 hours per day, she would reach the recorded total. That’s unrealistic since not even the fastest woman in that age group can hold that time for more than 2,000 meters, much less the 67,131 daily meters needed for this task.

If she could maintain the fastest full marathon pace for anyone in her age group for only 5.15 hours per day, she would reach her recorded total. However, this would be the equivalent of rowing over 1.5 times farther than a full marathon and doing it day after day.

I’d really be surprised if we’re even looking at 2:30.0/500m (5.6 hours) based on the personal records we seen recorded this season. You are now getting to the point where the sheer amount of time on the rower is as big of a hurdle to overcome as the meters themselves.

My hat goes off to this woman. She must be 100% dedicated to the challenge. In addition to being in excellent shape, she likely dedicates all of her waking hours to rowing. She’d have to start with an amazing aerobic base and then overcome the challenges of either rowing 67k in segments throughout the day or enduring a single session followed by only 18 hours of rest.

[TMike]

I would probably take a day off and do something else to give your rowing muscles a break. Go for a "wog" (walk-jog), or do something else active you enjoy. Gives your muscles and mind a break. Recovery/rest days are important. If you pound through and row every day, you're likely to burn out and throw in the towel. You want to be in this for the long run, and that means not overdoing it.

As far as stretching, don't do too much without warming up!! Traditional "static" stretches (where you stretch and hold the muscle in the elongated position) when your muscles are cold can lead to strain and injury. Do "dynamic" stretches before exercise, or warm up really well before doing static types. Do the static stretches AFTER exercise. Google static and dynamic stretching for more info.

Sounds Ok by me, and I'll do the google search. I have never heard of static/dynamic stretches. Thanks for the info.

I am in this for the long haul. I built a waterproof erg house on the top-deck of my low boy trailer. That was a lot of effort expended in order to be able to row. My motivation: I have gained 65 lbs over the past tens years since I started driving a truck. But I can't walk without my right leg going numb, and riding a bike for a workout is very difficult while on the road. I needed a way to get a daily cardio/fat burn workout without walking/running or bicycling. And ding ding... The ERG! SO I made a nice looking urethane finished erg house w/ compressed gas lifting arms. I only have one latch to disconnect, then use one finger to lift the hatch, sit down and row. No problems, no excuses. Just row. I'll take a pic one day and post it.

[damselfly]

YES!! We need pictures!!! I'm impressed!!

My husband talks of getting an RV if/when we retire. I have visions of sticking the erg on the roof and making a weather-proof travel cover for it. It'd be fun to climb up there and row in all the wonderful parks we'd love to visit.

[Quatroux]

Note: If you haven't followed my posts -- I just started back rowing after 12 years, today is my third day of rowing.

I think 3 days per week is probably good for now. I'd follow this: http://concept2.co.uk/training/interactive

You can probably breeze through the interactive programmes quickly since you have done this before. Your likely prone to overdoing it since you have been there before. It could be a mental challenge to keep yourself in check while your body adapts.

I do long warm-ups (and cool downs) instead of stretching before I row. The C2 guide I linked above talks about this. I have a hard time holding myself back, but I find that they really help.

Finally, rowing while you are sore is okay. Over training is just under recovering. Stop just short of when pushing yourself becomes hurting yourself. You will know you went off the cliff when you stop moving forward and start moving downward.

[TMike]

I think 3 days per week is probably good for now. I'd follow this: http://concept2.co.uk/training/interactive

Oh no, only 3 days, thats not enough! Really, I think you were right--->

Your likely prone to overdoing it since you have been there before. It could be a mental challenge to keep yourself in check while your body adapts.

Understatement of the year.

And thanks for the link. I have a lot of learning to do. When I rowed before It was just me and the machine racing my cousin and his machine. I was his room-mate for a couple years '99-'2000. I bought his old B model. Then got married, and the erg was stored -- no room in the house.

YES!! We need pictures!!!

Ok, here you go.
http://imageshack.us/a/img266/1084/erghouse.jpg

[Quatroux]

Ok, here you go.
http://imageshack.us/a/img266/1084/erghouse.jpg

Wow! That is actually kinda nice. I also like that it looks a bit like a coffin from one angle.Sometimes when I row on a C2 I feel like I am moments away from death.

[TMike]

Wow! That is actually kinda nice. I also like that it looks a bit like a coffin from one angle.Sometimes when I row on a C2 I feel like I am moments away from death.

Thats what my wife said - LoL! I told her that she doesn't need to worry unless I start sleeping in it during the day.

[damselfly]

YES!! We need pictures!!!

Ok, here you go.
http://imageshack.us/a/img266/1084/erghouse.jpg

All damn kinds of awesomeness!! Your creativity is right up there with Mark E, our resident blacksmith.

About the not being enough and wanting to exercise daily, ultimately you have to be the judge. There are all kinds of workouts you can do. If you're fatigued and sore, and you can't get any other kind of exercise and really want to do something, just get on and go easy, and slow. Really slow. Or isolate upper body. If you feel the next day like you've made things worse, it was a mistake. You say it's tough to bike when you're on the road, but when you're home, then ride.

One thing I have been instructed over and over in the fitness arena (and I'm an adult-onset athlete too! ), is to mix it up. Maybe you can't do other kinds of workouts now, but you will. The most important thing is to avoid injury, because that puts the kibosh on EVERYTHING.

Take it easy and listen to your body. Machoing through and bearing up under real pain is always a mistake. Good luck and we're behind you! (I think we could get a pretty good draft offa that bad boy!)

[CONLEJM]

Ok, here you go.
http://imageshack.us/a/img266/1084/erghouse.jpg

Love that ol' Model B! I started on those back in the late 80's and love them. I hope you get many years and great success with it!

[Kyle J]

Congrats to Klye J on the fast start in the FTC.

Mostly due to an aborted marathon attempt (1st try) saturday. I got up to walk around after 22k and the pm went dead but I wasn't going to go another 20k anyways. I got back on and did another 10k. Probably still to fat to sit on that little seat for 3+ hours