Olympic M1X at water VS. Indoor rower

[dany5]

Hi my concept2 friends ,
I am training on concept2 for 1 year. My time for 1k is 2:57 and i am still getting better becouse i keep training every second day. My current weight is about 98 kg and i am over 1,9m height. That's all about me, now I would like you to anwser me my question.

I have never been rowing on a real rowing boat. I have checked out times of olympic's rowers and I am quite confused becuse of times they got - M1X.

I was reading time table on wiki's site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rowing_at_ ... gle_sculls

As far as I know all of rowers there row for 2k distance and as you can notice avg time of it for them is like 7 minutes. Is there any hook ? Is it really much harder to get better time at water than on concept 2 ? I know there is wind etc., but such weak times like 7 minutes is kinda joke at least for me to do on concept2 and i am not olympic rower. So what times do olympic rowers gain on concept2 ?

Please explamin it for me, becouse i think i am wrong, well i am a person who have never been rowing at water so please forgive me this question, but also plase anwser it anyway

Greetings

[ArmandoChavezUNC]

I'm fairly certain every single sculler in the A/B finals at the Olympics goes sub 6:00, with the top scullers going in the low 5:40s (i.e. Mahe Drysdale). Most of them don't "publish" their scores, however.

The erg "simulates" the time of a 4, not a 1x. The time on the erg does not translate linearly into your time on a 1x. Not to mention the fact that technique plays an enormous role in your potential time OTW (on the water).

Most top scullers in flat water will go in the mid to upper 6:40s OTW. This is about a minute slower than their time on the erg.

[dany5]

I'm fairly certain every single sculler in the A/B finals at the Olympics goes sub 6:00, with the top scullers going in the low 5:40s (i.e. Mahe Drysdale). Most of them don't "publish" their scores, however.

The erg "simulates" the time of a 4, not a 1x. The time on the erg does not translate linearly into your time on a 1x. Not to mention the fact that technique plays an enormous role in your potential time OTW (on the water).

Most top scullers in flat water will go in the mid to upper 6:40s OTW. This is about a minute slower than their time on the erg.

Thank you for replaying, I really enjoy your anwser!

[NavigationHazard]

Armando's right - they're all well under 6 minutes over 2k on an erg. A couple of years ago, most of the top scullers put together a sweep boat (one oar each) to see how they'd compare against quality viiis. The 2009 Head of the Charles version featured: Tim Maeyens (Belgium), Alan Campbell (Britain), Lassi Karonen (Sweden), Marcel Hacker (Germany), Mahe Drysdale (New Zealand), Warren Anderson (U.S.A.), Onderj Synek (Czech Republic), Iztok Cop (Slovenia). Anderson at the time was a 5:46 erger, and he said he "dragged down the average score of the boat." Drysdale was 5:39 at the time, IIRC, and Synek 5:42.5 or .6.

[Cyclingman1]

I am training on concept2 for 1 year. My time for 1k is 2:57 and i am still getting better becouse i keep training every second day. My current weight is about 98 kg and i am over 1,9m height. That's all about me, now I would like you to anwser me my question.

Are you sure of your 1K erg time? There are only a couple of times in the rankings across all age groups that low. What are your 2K or 5K times? What is your age? Please post in the rankings using C2Log or IND_V verification.

[ArmandoChavezUNC]

Cyclingman1 - I'm not here to defend anyone, but I do want to point out that the OP is 98 kg. A sub- 3:00 minute 1k isn't entirely out of the realm of possibilities for someone of that size with limited training.

[Cyclingman1]

A sub- 3:00 minute 1k isn't entirely out of the realm of possibilities for someone of that size with limited training.

Have you looked at the rankings? You will see that the time is very, very rare.

[Bob S.]

O.K., so there was only one so far this season (i.e. 2013) at 2:57 or less, but in previous seasons there were plenty:

2012 - 14
2011 - 6
2010 -10
2009 - 39!

Not common, but not all that rare.

Bob S.

[hjs]

I am training on concept2 for 1 year. My time for 1k is 2:57 and i am still getting better becouse i keep training every second day. My current weight is about 98 kg and i am over 1,9m height. That's all about me, now I would like you to anwser me my question.

Are you sure of your 1K erg time? There are only a couple of times in the rankings across all age groups that low. What are your 2K or 5K times? What is your age? Please post in the rankings using C2Log or IND_V verification.

Nothing special about a sub 3.00 1k, a young strong clubrower can do that. A toprower 2.40. Rankings nothing, th guys now doing the olympics don,t rank there times. Every serious rower there will row 3 min without being out of breath.

[dany5]

I am training on concept2 for 1 year. My time for 1k is 2:57 and i am still getting better becouse i keep training every second day. My current weight is about 98 kg and i am over 1,9m height. That's all about me, now I would like you to anwser me my question.

Are you sure of your 1K erg time? There are only a couple of times in the rankings across all age groups that low. What are your 2K or 5K times? What is your age? Please post in the rankings using C2Log or IND_V verification.

Yes, 2:57 is my best time for 1k and I know i can do much better time if I will keep doing it, my best time isn't satisfacting me anyway. I don't know what "C2Log or IND_V verification" is, is it realted to "concept2 memory card" ? Could you possible to explain me it and tell me where can I find these rankings ?

I am training on concept2 for 1 year. My time for 1k is 2:57 and i am still getting better becouse i keep training every second day. My current weight is about 98 kg and i am over 1,9m height. That's all about me, now I would like you to anwser me my question.

Are you sure of your 1K erg time? There are only a couple of times in the rankings across all age groups that low. What are your 2K or 5K times? What is your age? Please post in the rankings using C2Log or IND_V verification.

Nothing special about a sub 3.00 1k, a young strong clubrower can do that. A toprower 2.40. Rankings nothing, th guys now doing the olympics don,t rank there times. Every serious rower there will row 3 min without being out of breath.

I enjoy your anwser, thank you!

[ArmandoChavezUNC]

A sub- 3:00 minute 1k isn't entirely out of the realm of possibilities for someone of that size with limited training.

Have you looked at the rankings? You will see that the time is very, very rare.

Anyone who can go sub 6:05 or so on a 2k can probably go around 2:57 or better.

The converse definitely doesn't hold up, however. And keep in mind some people train just for shorter distances, not for an optimal 2k.

[Bob S.]

Could you possible to explain me it and tell me where can I find these rankings ?

http://log.concept2.com/rankings.asp

Note that you can select distances (500m, 1k, 2k, 5k, 6k, 10k, half marathon or full marathon) or times (30' or 60'), age, gender, weight category, and season. Browse around a bit and you can get the world records.

Bob S.

[Bob S.]

I don't know what "C2Log or IND_V verification" is, is it realted to "concept2 memory card" ? Could you possible to explain me?

Click on Motivation at the top of this page and then click on the top line, Online Logbook. On the next page, follow the directions for creating an Online Logbook. You can then use your C2 memory card with a card reader to enter your data, using the Concept 2 Utility software. That will give you the C2Log verification. You can also enter the data manually, but then you have to get a code number from the monitor to use for getting the IND-V verification. That's a lot more involved and I haven't done it for a long time - not since they introduced the C2Log verification directly from the card. Incidentally, if you don't have a card reader, you can use the monitor as a card reader if your computer is close enough to connect it up. RowPro aficionados use that software to enter their data and the RowPro verification is also regarded as reasonable proof of a particular time and distance.

Caution: if you enter the data manually, be sure that the date (and time) are properly set on the monitor. The code number includes the date for which the monitor was set. The monitor date has to match the date that you enter.

Bob S.

[hjs]

A sub- 3:00 minute 1k isn't entirely out of the realm of possibilities for someone of that size with limited training.

Have you looked at the rankings? You will see that the time is very, very rare.

Anyone who can go sub 6:05 or so on a 2k can probably go around 2:57 or better.

The converse definitely doesn't hold up, however. And keep in mind some people train just for shorter distances, not for an optimal 2k.

6.05 does not hold up to 2.57 at all. 2.57 on the 1k comes much closer to 6.15/20.

In my younger days I have erged sub 2.56 and sub 3 was not that hard fo me. 6.05 was impossible, 6.14/6.18 was my 2 k range. And I was focussed much more on the 2 thn the 1 k.
Roughly on the split 5 seconds of a difference is to be expected.

[Cyclingman1]

All I’m saying is that when someone, who trains 3 or 4 times a week, posts a 2:57 for a 1K my interest is piqued. First of all what is the context: age, athletic background, and times for other distances.

Knowing 500m, 2K, and 5K times would tell much, in addition to age. Otherwise it is difficult to pin down the significance of 2:57/1:28.5 pace. It could be that this person rows 500m in the sub 1:20 range. In other words, he is a strong man – plain and simple. It would then be interesting to see how all of that strength gets transferred to 2K, the standard racing distance for indoor rowing events.

I’m new to this entire rowing business, as many who visit know. I barely have 7 months on a rower. But I, actually all of us, have come across a 60+ gentleman on this site who insists that he will/can row times of a thirty year old. It was not a positive contribution to anyone trying to improve. That is why it is so important to establish some credibility in some way. A good way is to use the C2Log or IND_V entry in the rankings.

I might note that age 50 is a strong dividing line in the times for 500m and 1K. It is so significant that broad statements about a time at one distance correlating to times in others are not all that accurate. Perhaps for younger, stronger rowers, the rule of double the distance, add 5 sec to the 500m pace may apply.

However, being a touch on the older side (66), but not as old as the ancient mariner Bob, I cannot row better than 3:17.2 (1:38.6) for 1K, but I can row 6:40.7 (1:40.2) for 2K. [Should say earlier this yr – can’t do it now.]

I’m simply asking for a more complete picture than what simply stating one time with no context can yield.