Low Carb Diet, Strength, Hr, Etc.

[old] eurofoot13 · Post by **[old] eurofoot13** » June 4th, 2004, 4:18 pm

my concern with most diets is nutrition. I honestly think that even lifestyle change diets, such as macrobiotic or vegetarian diets can be unhealthy if proper nutrition guidelines aren't followed. So, I am wary of any diet. That said - just be smart.

[old] drkcgoh · Post by **[old] drkcgoh** » June 4th, 2004, 5:08 pm

Health/Fitness or Atkin's diet publications are not professional sources of information. Evidence-based Medicine has its own criteria. I always use this analogy when asked this question about diet. Do you want to follow the Elephant or the Cow who are pure vegetarians; or the Horse who also grazes on grass, and I have come out with this slogan: " Eat like a Horse, but train like a Race Horse, and you will look like one". Even the horse can become a Clydesdale if he exercises the wrong way. I leave it to you to draw your own conclusions from this. KC61/5'10"/144 lbs, Body Fat 16% by DEXA.

[old] Bayko · Post by **[old] Bayko** » June 4th, 2004, 5:38 pm

This might fit into this thread. A stranger was seated next to Little Tommy on the plane when the stranger turned to the boy and said, "Let's talk. I've heard that flights will go quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger." Little Tommy, who had just opened his book, closed it slowly, and said to the stranger, "What would you like to discuss?" "Oh, I don't know," said the stranger. "How about that new low carb diet?" "OK," said Little Tommy. "That could be an interesting topic." But let me ask you a question first. "A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat grass. The same stuff. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty, and a horse produces clumps of dried grass. Why do you suppose that is?" "Jeez," said the stranger. "I have no idea." "Well, then," said Little Tommy, "How is it that you feel qualified to discuss low carb diets when you don't know shit?" .....sorry. Just lost my mind. Just for a moment. Rick

[old] Nick Rockliff · Post by **[old] Nick Rockliff** » June 4th, 2004, 6:46 pm

[old] seat5 · Post by **[old] seat5** » June 5th, 2004, 10:42 am

I think it's really funny how the diet fads circulate. When I was a kid, the way you were supposed to lose weight was to not eat bread, potatoes, and pasta. Then it went to no sugar. Then it went to no fat. Now it's low carbs. What a pile of hooey it all is. Can't people just eat everything in moderation, exercise reasonably (or unreasonably, depending on their goals for performance, not looks) and stop being obsessed with all of this? This works for me and if I find I've gotten fatter than I like being I go back to making sure I'm not eating more than I mean to. You just think about it before you have the meal, how hungry am I, really? And then eat enough to be satisfied, but not stuffed. And work out enough to feel strong and fit and be able to do what you want to be able to do and enjoy it. Just venting. Carla

[old] JRBJR · Post by **[old] JRBJR** » June 5th, 2004, 2:21 pm

My wife and I just returned from our Saturday trip to the supermarket. We passed ailse after ailse of "low carb" foods, most of which are high in saturated and trans fats. Face it, a lot of people are buying into this craze. We noticed a lot of overweight types with baskets full of low-carb foods along side huge packages of bacon, fatty meats, ice cream, and other junk. After some research, we've decided to stick with a diet with lots of complex carbohydrates (brown rice, whole wheat breads, fruits, vegetables) a low in pure/simple carbs (white rice, white bread, etc.) and fats. There is good evidence that simple carbs spike blood sugar levels, which can be bad news for diabetics in particular and cause subsequent food cravings in general. My advice is the same offered by others here. Eat sensibly and exercise regulary. Stay away from the packaged and processed foods. And avoid the silly fad diets (Atkins, South Beach, etc.).

[old] MarcM · Post by **[old] MarcM** » June 6th, 2004, 2:35 pm

I would advise anyone on the Atkins diet to keep close tabs on your cholesterol levels before and after you go on the diet. Let me explain why. While maintaining a low carbohydrate intake can give you a potential weight loss benefit, bear in mind that you could be damaging your heart. For example, if you eat primarily red meat such as beef then your cholesterol levels will rise. This in turn leads to atherosclerosis and dramatically increases your risk of suffering a heart attack and/or stroke. Losing weight is beneficial to your heart, but not at this cost. That's why if you replace your carbs with protein, make sure they come from low fat, low cholesterol sources such as poultry or fish. -M

[old] Rogus · Post by **[old] Rogus** » June 6th, 2004, 2:43 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (MarcM @ Jun 6 2004, 11:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> I would advise anyone on the Atkins diet to keep close tabs on your cholesterol levels before and after you go on the diet. Let me explain why. While maintaining a low carbohydrate intake can give you a potential weight loss benefit, bear in mind that you could be damaging your heart. For example, if you eat primarily red meat such as beef then your cholesterol levels will rise. -M  </td></tr></table> I have read in different reports of studies of the Atkins diet that it actually lowers cholesterol contrary to what you would think.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » June 6th, 2004, 4:24 pm

Atkins and any other high fat diet would cause your cholesterol to be out of whack. The average cholesterol for a North American is 210, whereas 80% of the world's population has cholesterol below 150. The first and #1 aim for cholesterol levels should be 150 or less.

[old] MarcM · Post by **[old] MarcM** » June 6th, 2004, 7:46 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I have read in different reports of studies of the Atkins diet that it actually lowers cholesterol contrary to what you would think.  </td></tr></table> Short-term yes Long-term no

[old] Rogus · Post by **[old] Rogus** » June 6th, 2004, 9:16 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (MarcM @ Jun 6 2004, 04:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I have read in different reports of studies of the Atkins diet that it actually lowers cholesterol contrary to what you would think.  </td></tr></table> Short-term yes Long-term no  </td></tr></table> Is the Atkins diet a long term life style diet change? I've always thought of it as something that was short term and then moved into a more conventional balanced diet. I have to admit I haven't looked into it in depth as I have no interest and fortunately no need to consider dieting especially a fad diet.

[old] Roland Baltutis · Post by **[old] Roland Baltutis** » June 7th, 2004, 12:32 am

ATKINS DIET IS A BIG FAT LIE ---------------------------------------- I have noticed that several people on this forum follow the Atkins Diet. My advice to them is to do so at your own peril. A common misconception about this diet is that it is a high protein diet. This is False. The Atkins Diet involves eating less than 20% carbohydrate, 25% protein and a massive 55% fat (approx. figures). In other words it's a low carb, high fat, average protein diet. During the 'induction' phase of this diet you consume less than half the number of calories of an average man or woman. That makes it a semi-starvation situation. Often those on this diet believe that their metabolism is burning more fat however their bodies are just burning less energy. The 'maintenance' phase of the Atkins Diet causes deficiencies in fibre, vitamin E, iron, magnesium and folate. Anyone on a similar low carb diet experiencing general tiredness and lethargy can put it down to the defficiency in these essential nutrients. You also expose yourself to the increased risk of cancer to the colon, breast, pancreas, lung stomach and bladder. Low carbs and intense training, such as indoor rowing, is the perfect recipe for immunosuppression. The Atkins Diet produces excessive amount of fat, cholesterol, vitamin A, phosphorus, sodium and potassium. Unfortunately those that follow the Atkins Diet mistakenly believe that it is scientifically proven. If you look at the the late Dr Atkin's book you'll notice few current references as most date prior to 1975, making these theories somewhat outdated. There is also a lack of control groups supporting his theories. There are even instances where he has based his theories on misinterpreted scientific case studies from Harvard Uni. Give the Atkins, or similar low carb diets, a miss before they mess you up. Eat well, Row fine Roland Baltutis

[old] debs · Post by **[old] debs** » June 7th, 2004, 6:11 am

Consimer reports says the most effective eating program for weight loss is a low-glycemic diet. Their study looked at thousands of Americans who had lost significant weight and kept it off for years, and the most common successful long term eating program used by these folks was a low glycemic diet - avoiding refined foods etc. The most effective exercise for these same folks in the consumer reports study, btw, was walking. There's no way I'd follow Atkins for the rest of my life - or even for a single day. I don't want a single day without a cracker or a piece of whole grain bread!! Low glycemic is for me - I can follow it very easily long-term without sacrificing way too much good stuff This past week I read an article regarding Obesity. The article said the US is starting a National weight loss registry of folks that have lost 30 pounds or more and kept it off for at least a year. Their magic fad diet trick? Many were simply counting calories. How hard is that? The article said in 1957 the average hamburger in the US was one ounce and about 200 calories. Now the average hamburger is 6 ounces and 600 calaries. Of course another easy way to eat more is to do weight training. With more muscle on our bodies we get to eat more calories!! PS - Saturday night my kid was coughing a ton - I got up in the middle of the night for a Walmart run to grab her some meds. In the checkout line in front of me were two obese young women shopping for a large supply of junk food (do they shop in the middle of the night for a reason?). They had several boxes full of twinkies, ding dongs, and some delicious looking pies. These ladies don't need a fad magic diet trick - they need self control.

LindaM · Post by **LindaM** » June 7th, 2004, 8:35 am

The South Beach Diet is the diet you are eating, JRBJR, and it's principle theory is low glycemic eating. Maybe it's the fact that the diet has a name that puts so many people off. I'm following SBD very closely. Last night I had chicken salad with a little mayo, grapes, and walnuts, tabouleh salad, a green salad with cucumbers, olives, and celery, and asparagus in lemon juice for dinner. (I skipped the garlic, buttered, french bread.) The rest of my book group finished up with chocolate cake and Cherry Garcia ice cream. I had a handful of almonds and four dried apricots for dessert. Sound unhealthy to you?

[old] JRBJR · Post by **[old] JRBJR** » June 7th, 2004, 10:17 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (LindaM @ Jun 7 2004, 12:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>The South Beach Diet is the diet you are eating, JRBJR, and it's principle theory is low glycemic eating. Maybe it's the fact that the diet has a name that puts so many people off. I'm following SBD very closely. Last night I had chicken salad with a little mayo, grapes, and walnuts, tabouleh salad, a green salad with cucumbers, olives, and celery, and asparagus in lemon juice for dinner. (I skipped the garlic, buttered, french bread.) The rest of my book group finished up with chocolate cake and Cherry Garcia ice cream. I had a handful of almonds and four dried apricots for dessert. Sound unhealthy to you? </td></tr></table> Sorry, I should have reserved my wrath for the Atkins diet.

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