Issue with the C2 ... slack on pull back ??

[Bagger]

Thanx again ..... appreciate your help.

[Bagger]

Not sure this will work. I snipped a couple minutes from a vid I did with my GoPro this afternoon when I was rowing. Not all that great, but I use it on the motorcycles.

I don't look all that smooth, but tell me what I'm doing incorrectly. I'm trying to get this rowing right. Thanx.

See if this can be viewed. I'll try, too.

https://picasaweb.google.com/BaggerWing ... 5403899810

[jvincent]

All I get is a pictures of your exercise room, no video. Nice room BTW.

[Bagger]

I'm not all the savvy as I said. But, when I click on the link, I see me rowing.

Not sure what the deal is. Maybe I'll try to post it on YouTube.

[Bagger]

Maybe here?

[gregsmith01748]

So, I don't pretend to be an expert, but here is what i see.

You do not seem to pushing very hard on the drive. Part of it looks like you are pulling yourself up short with your legs when you get close to the finish, and you have very little lay back.

I'm not sure what others would suggest, but I have a drill for you to try.

First, get your feet out of the straps.
Then row at a fixed rate, say 20 spm and note the split on the screen.
Now, try to make the split faster, without increasing the stroke rate. See if you can shave 10 or 20 seconds off the pace for 10 powerful strokes, then go back to your i original pace. Repeat, trying to get your splits lower and lower.
What this will do is force you to put more into your drive, and take longer on the recovery. The fact that you are strapless will make you use you arms and back to finish the stroke, instead of pulling up with your feet.

The other thing o do is to put the PM into he mode to look at the force curve and try to make the curve sharp on the drive, but hat never helped me as much as trying to cut my splits at a low rate.
I can't recommend strapless rowing highly enough. It made a huge difference in my training. Fundamentally changed and improved my stroke. Now I only strap in if I am doing intervals and time trials.

[jvincent]

Not an expert either, but it looks like you are not coming forward far enough at the catch.

The camera angle was distorting things but it looked like you still have a lot of angle in your shins as opposed to them being vertical at the catch. As a result you not only lose leg power but your stroke is also shortened.

I'd agree with the lack of layback as well.

[hjs]

Not an expert either, but it looks like you are not coming forward far enough at the catch.

The camera angle was distorting things but it looked like you still have a lot of angle in your shins as opposed to them being vertical at the catch. As a result you not only lose leg power but your stroke is also shortened.

I'd agree with the lack of layback as well.

Indeed, coming forward only the front of the feet should stay connected, so the stoke is to short there, t th onther end there is no rocking over and a bi of layback, so again the stoke is to short there. The hands are looking ar looking though.
The thing that stands out the most is the lack of effort, it looks very very easy, rowing is hard work, put more effort in it and lengthen the stroke at both sides.

[Citroen]

I think you're breaking your arms too early.
You need to finish the drive with the legs before you break your arms.

I also think you should have the drag higher closer to 140-150 while you're learning to drive hard with your legs.

[Bagger]

Thanx for the observations and recommendations.

Yes, the camera has sort of a fish eye deal. It's more for sports/auto/motorcycle than fixed stuff.

I agree that it appears that I'm not giving much effort. But, at the end of a 20 minute session, I am sweating.

I'll try to row without the straps, altho I don't see how i get back to the catch without my feet being anchored. I'll give it a try.

Looking in the mirror, I can see that my lower legs are perpendicular, but it doesn't appear so on the vid clip. I'll see if I can improve. And, I do see that the lean back seems lacking as well.

Thanx again.

[jvincent]

Getting the shins vertical is one part. You also need to make sure you compress your thighs towards your calves..

[bepah]

I agree with all that has been said. I would add that the push is a rapid (fire those legs) and the return is slow. Your power curve will tell the difference.

Your effort looked to me to be very easy and rowing is not an 'easy' exercise, especially if you are looking to go faster. Set the monitor to watch your watts and it will tell you how much power you are applying.

Good luck!

[Cyclist2]

Thanks for posting the video. I can see you're not shooting the slide as I suspected, but I think the reason you're feeling the slack is that you aren't holding your upper body strong and taut on the leg drive, breaking a little early with the arms and opening with the back early. This upper body movement during the leg drive takes a lot of the power away from the legs. It all comes with practice, of course, but try doing some legs-only drills, concentrating on transferring all the power from the legs to the handle through a stong upper body and extended arms. (Get into the catch position and hold it while you press with the legs until they are flat. No upper body followthrough). During this drill, if the seat moves one inch backwards, the handle should move one inch backwards. All these posts should overwhelm you, so have fun!

[Bagger]

Cyclist2 ....

Thank you and the others for your comments. I really appreciate them.

I don't row daily ... as there are other things I do. Biking, boxing, b'ball, weights, yada, yada. But, I do like rowing. Heck, even my rheumatologist has a C2. Kewl !

I'll work on those things you and others have suggested. I may even post another vid of my progress. If that's allowed.

And, you are correct ... all these posts are difficult to quantify and figure out. I'll get it. I figure many folks with indoor rowers are not doing the movement correctly. I've had many different sports to work on and have done quite well in my time. If I'm having difficulties ... I would suspect that many others are as well.

BTW ... I may not be doing the entire movement correctly, but I still am getting a pretty fair work out. But, I'll continue to work to get it right.

[Ultra54]

I've captured an image to clarify what I feel might be an issue. Please correct me if I'm wrong. At this moment as I understand it your torso should still be at 11 oclock position as to transfer the force through to your legs as your drive back Your arms should still be straight out , not bent yet. As soon as your legs fully extend, no bent knee you then begin with your arms still straight to rotate your torso into the 1 oclock position. At that instant you then with your elbows in pull the handle to your solar plexus.From the one oclock your allow the chain to retract until the handle crosses your knees, legs straight.Once the handle crosses your knees you rotate forward towards 11 oclock, then at that point allow your legs to bend until your shins are vertical. This all sound robotic but with some practice and concentration it will become second nature. Of coarse there will be some margin of error between each phase but you can work toward a perfect stroke I suppose.