Taff Attack

seat5 · Post by **seat5** » March 25th, 2006, 10:42 pm

This is truly awful.

Brendo · Post by **Brendo** » March 26th, 2006, 12:30 am

Jumpsoda (Scott) seems to have already gone

Having only been a member for a couple of months I think it's a real shame what's happening/happened to the team. The motivation talk and banter was one of the main draws to joining in the first place.

That's my last post for a while, I have no strong opinion either way so I'll sit it out and see what happens. My only real comment is that this conversation would be better via emails than on a public forum.

Later
Brendin

Taffy Adams · Post by **Taffy Adams** » March 26th, 2006, 5:24 am

Brendo wrote:The motivation talk and banter was one of the main draws to joining in the first place.

2 or 3 pages of Dwayne and Chad arguing isn't motivation talk, unfortunately it is the innocent of Taff Attack that are drawn in and demotivated by it. This argument was very damaging and both were as bad as the other. I am a manager at work, so is Rob, we are both sick to the back teeth of people badger baiting, and back stabbing all the time - why should we have to put up with in it in our hobbies - I need to excercise or I get down and depressed - I need the motivation and that is why Taff Attack was formed - Other people are hurting my life changing tool, taking it away from me - I believe people want to leave Taff Attack over this - I also know people who will not join because of this. Because of the level of Dwaynes achievement I think people are justified in asking for proof - Only Dwayne can answer these questions.

Brendo wrote:My only real comment is that this conversation would be better via emails than on a public forum.

A valid point, and one we'll have to accept critism for.

John Foy · Post by **John Foy** » March 26th, 2006, 5:39 am

chippy wrote:GOT TO BE SAID

Since we started this team we have had the the banter with our English
Foe on race days as would be expected.They say we are Troggs who live in Caves,TRUE...They say the that we do not have a up to date postal system and reley on the poney exspress.TRUE....ETC ETC ETC All good fun lets have it...BUT things have changed,we are now known as the liars and cheats and its all down to you you Dwayne,Thats because you claim world records and times the rest of us can only dream of.The times you claim are all done behind closed doors in the dark and usually a tiny bit more than the best rowers out there.Bullshit.I have seen the best in action
at the BIRC the last 2 years,they do not hide but put it on the line...I have also seen the rest of the TAFFF ATTACK team hurt themselves for the good of the team and themselves and win nothing at all..Respect..I would rather have a honest last place than a bullshit first.
We have been in contact with the USA indoor rowing people who only confirm what we think..Sling your hook,on your bike, if some other desperate team wants you
good luck you them..

Chippy

What was said by Indoor Rowing then? What did they confirm?

Taffy Adams · Post by **Taffy Adams** » March 26th, 2006, 6:43 am

I have just got off the phone with Robert.

I think it is wrong what we have done - frustration has got the better of us. We have no right to ask Dwayne to leave.

Dwayne can stay, both myself and Robert have resigned forthwith. I wish you all good luck in whatever you decide.

Chris

chippy · Post by **chippy** » March 26th, 2006, 6:46 am

The end

Spoke my mind and thats that,Iwill not be part of this team anymore
Spoke to Chris and he feels the Same.Will still be racing though so
see you at the far post.

Chippy

grumpy · Post by **grumpy** » March 26th, 2006, 7:28 am

He is not known as Chippy the brave for nothing,ILL be following the brave.

Grumpy
and out

porky · Post by **porky** » March 26th, 2006, 7:40 am

Have done virtually no rowing but blood is thicker than water,

see you all,

Porky

Godfried · Post by **Godfried** » March 26th, 2006, 11:05 am

First row since Feb 13.

I have been sick, so today really needed to do something.

Went for the CTC, finished in 12:39.1.

Thanks to who mailed me, I will react very soon.

Sir P · Post by **Sir P** » March 26th, 2006, 11:30 am

Going to have my 2 cents worth on this matter, may not be a popular one

The thing is that Dwayne has not proved he is the real deal at a race, the Taff team seems to be getting a bad name, and someone even called them a bunch of cheats the other day.

The way I see it is- A team is only has strong as its weakest link, Dwayne is giving them unwanted negative publicity, this has been forced on him though in some ways. Not good for the team you would agree, when you are good you end up in the firing line, that is the price of fame.

Dwayne has not answered any of the questioned asked about his ability, that does not mean he is guilty though, but it does not prove he is innocent either.

This whole issue has been a ticking bomb for many years, looks like it just went off!!

Brave decision by the Taffs, I can see how they got to make it and you have to repect the balls it took to do it.

Sir P

mumbles · Post by **mumbles** » March 26th, 2006, 12:36 pm

paulv wrote:Thanks for that Carla, was a terrible row I'm afraid - 3 hrs 49. Had to keep stopping every 5k or so after half way due to pain in bottom area. Only finished because I'm stubborn like that! 75th out of 77 in my age group so plenty of room for improvement to say the least.

Cheers, Paul

Sorry Paul, only just read your post (away at HORR) Congrats on completing a marathon, have never had the guts to try one myself. As far as i know there are no rules regarding seat cushioning, if you email one of the C2 guys they will know.

Wow, just read the rest of the forum, what will happen to TA now, as a member i will be well gutted if we fold as it is great to have a team around to support. As a junior, i will be even more gutted as who do i ask for advice now? Dwayne mate, you know im a fan, but please either end all this bullshit by racing or owning up, all this controversy is ruining the spirit of the sport! Boys, please come back, it wont be the same without you!

Owen (proud member of the mighty Taff Attack!)

seat5 · Post by **seat5** » March 26th, 2006, 1:29 pm

I am very distressed by this whole thing. Frankly, I don't know which way to turn. Through this whole thing, I have wanted to stay loyal to Dwayne, because there has been no real proof of wrong doing on his part, just lots of allegations and circumstantial evidence. And he has been such a huge supporter of every Taff Attack member in encouraging us and sometimes baiting us into working harder. He has been a really fantastic motivator for me.

But now the guys that are competing face to face in the UK seem to be taking some very uncomforatable heat--from what they say on the forum about it, they are being called liars and cheats for being on a team with someone who has been accused of cheating. This is really not fair of them to do this, because even if Dwayne is cheating (it sickens me to even think of it, and I don't buy it) that doesn't mean the rest of us are, though in the CTC it's a major problem. Now the founders of the team have left.

That leaves the rest of us feeling sort of like the children in a bad divorce--ones that are old enough to choose with whom they want to live. If we stay, all those who claim he is a liar and a cheat will claim we are party to it, especially in the CTC. If we go, we are slapping Dwayne in the face, and when (I like to think when, though right now it's an IF) he is vindicated he has every right to be disgusted with us.

Maddeningly enough, I just got my courage up to do the Crash B's next year and had just ordered a Taff All in ONe suit. I was looking forward to representing our team and doing my best even though I'm really scared of doing a hard row with an audience. The suit is custom and already ordered so I can't cancel it, so there's over $100 for a suit that I probably won't even be able to use. It seems like it's going to be something to be ashamed of if it everthing keeps going as it is.

If Dwayne would do a public row of a similar caliber this could possibly all clear up, but at this point I don't know. It's a total mess. If the team dissolves completely I will be really, really sad. I used my Taff T shirt to keep me going sometimes because I wouldn't quit a piece with that shirt on, and had a Taff mug that I only used in the morning if I rowed the day before...really silly things, but they were motivational to me, and that was the whole point of TA--motivation to row and improve, and to get back in the sadddle when you've been injured or just lazy.

It is a shame--it is shameful--that Chad's main accomplishment has been the destruction of one man's reputation without proof--his trick with the relay row does NOT prove that Dwayne did the same thing--and also the destruction of probably what has been one the most unified and supportive virtual teams on the forum.

Sir P · Post by **Sir P** » March 26th, 2006, 1:46 pm

This news has come as a bit of shock I have to agree, I am part of the Taff’s in a way as I log my meters to Taff Attack, and could say I am friends with Chris & Chippy, they are great blokes!

With respect Carla, this issue with regards to Dwayne is a long running one, long before Chad came on the scene, it has just come to a massive head the last few months.

I would love to see Dwayne race, I think I would travel any where in the World to see it too.
But what is Dwayne to do? Bow to the pressure or will things just carry on as they have been?

Something needs to be done though that is for sure.

Sir P

johnnybike · Post by **johnnybike** » March 26th, 2006, 1:46 pm

seat5 wrote:But now the guys that are competing face to face in the UK seem to be taking some very uncomforatable heat--from what they say on the forum about it, they are being called liars and cheats for being on a team with someone who has been accused of cheating

I have never even looked at the Taff Attack thread before never mind commented on it.

There seems to be a small number of people from the UK and I believe "Chad" is one of them, who seem determined to cause as much trouble as possible. I don't know why but they as a group seem determined to cause problems for DA. They do not seem to mind that they are upsetting a lot of people and generally creating unrest. I saw something to suggest that members of one team had colluded to provide the time that Chad generated as proof that the system could be beaten.

Please do not feel that the UK forum in general is accusing anyone of cheating or is having a go at the TA team because of it.

The vast majority of us are quite happy with the status quo and believe that anyone is innocent until proven guilty. If members consider quitting TA because of it they are helping the bully boys win. Those bully boys who don't have the courage to sign their own name when they post these comments.

If DA has beem a good team member and supportive and helpful to others then perhaps this is the time you should be standing by him.

John

John Foy · Post by **John Foy** » March 26th, 2006, 1:48 pm

Dwayne. Time to take a hit for your team mates I think.

All you have to do mate is row any sort of row and show the proof. Read Carla's post above. I know you do not like to broadcast your rows but even a steady training row of say 30 r20 @8900 metres + would put this story to bed.

You have helped me with training in the past. You help anybody who asks for it. Now is the time to help your team.

I feel really sorry for the Taffs with the current situation. I do not label the taffs as cheats by the way. I would call Daren, Niall and Citroen friends.

Dwayne. I really hope you are for real. I have zero reason to disbelieve what you say. Time to stand up mate.

I wish you luck

John