Ranger's training thread

[snowleopard]

So you are incompetent.

ranger,

To be incompetent you have to have tried and failed.

After seven years of self-taught buffoonery, you're right up there

[ranger]

Look at your videos from yesterday.
Are you rowing smoothly without wasting watts (effort)?

Here's a shot of a sculler who still needs to improve but is light years ahead of you and will remain so unless you change your approach to things. (I move smoothly) You need to move smoothly before you can really sustain going fast

Quite a few problems with these claims:

(1) In the videos, I was pushing the pace and rate to 1:52 @ 30 spm.

I never row at 30 spm; so, sure, in the videos, I was straining.

Rowing at 22 spm is an entirely different story, even if it's 2:10 @ 22 spm.

I have been doing most of my daily rowing at that.

In your video, you not even doing 22 spm. You're doing 20 spm. You aren't doing 1:52 @ 30 spm.

You are going about 20 seconds per 500m slower.

(2) If you don't have the fitness, even if you row smoothly, you can't sustain something like 1:52 @ 30 spm.

And 30 spm is not a high rate!

If you can, show us.

How about a shot of a 2K, 1:52 @ 30 spm? Or 5K?

(3) If you have great fitness, even if you don't row smoothly, you can sustain something like 1:52 @ 30 spm.

I think I'll post a shot of a OTW 1K, 1:52 @ 30 spm before you do. I don't think you have the fitness.

Of course, it is much _better_ to row smoothly _and_ have great fitness, but, hey, heaven is indeed much better than earth, but unfortunately, we are all stuck here on earth.

You are also a son of Adam, no virgin birth.

(4) If I am rowing 2:10 @ 22 spm with a UT2 HR and so are you, relative to our levels of fitness, we are exerting exactly the same amount of effort to do exactly the same thing, regardless of how smooth you are rowing and how roughly I am rowing.

(5) I can improve my technique--today, tomorrow, the next day, next year, the next year, and so forth. You can't improve your fitness. You've lost it--permanently.

ranger

[Byron Drachman]

right oar

That is your portside oar. It is best always to think of your port side and starboard side. If you ever do a regatta or head race and an official gives an instruction to you, it will usually be in terms of port or starboard. Although if an official knows he or she is talking to a novice, the instructions might be in terms of your right or left side.

[Rocket Roy]

Mike that is some terrific sculling in those vid's!! Kudos

[ranger]

So you are incompetent.

ranger,

To be incompetent you have to have tried and failed.

After seven years of self-taught buffoonery, you're right up there

I am delighted with 2:10 @ 22 spm with a UT2 HR rowing OTW in my 1x.

I don't consider that to be a failure at all.

No 60s rower is any better.

In the 60s veteran race, 40 of the 50 boats last year at the Head of the Charles didn't pull 2:10 for the 3 miles.

Leadville didn't pull 2:10, either.

If I get in some rowing down at North Bay, where I can row 5K without turning, I'll see if I can get a screen shot of a 5K, 2:10 @ 22 spm with a UT2 HR.

In an all-out trial/race, 5K is done at AT.

AT is UT2 - 10.

ranger

[snowleopard]

I am delighted with 2:10 @ 22 spm with a UT2 HR rowing OTW in my 1x.

I don't consider that to be a failure at all.

No 60s rower is any better.

40 of the 50 boats last year at the Head of the Charles didn't pull 2:10 for the 3 miles.

Leadville didn't pull 2:10, either.

Have you pulled 2:10 @ 22 OTW continuously for three miles on a twisty regatta course? No you haven't.

You opinion and analysis is irrelevant, useless and pointless.

[whp4]

So you are incompetent.

ranger,

To be incompetent you have to have tried and failed.

After seven years of self-taught buffoonery, you're right up there

I am delighted with 2:10 @ 22 spm with a UT2 HR rowing OTW in my 1x.

I don't consider that to be a failure at all.

No 60s rower is any better.

In the 60s veteran race, 40 of the 50 boats last year at the Head of the Charles didn't pull 2:10 for the 3 miles.

Leadville didn't pull 2:10, either.

ranger

How fast were you going when you rammed that 8 at the Head of the Grand? Unprecedented!

[whp4]

Back in my bike racing days, we had a term for the new guys, who were typically very strong and fast riding alone in a straight line, but unskilled at bike handling in a crowd going around corners: human crayons!

Made for fast races, because most riders with any instinct for self-preservation quickly realized the only safe place was 10 meters ahead of everyone else! Of course, with our hero on the water, you aren't safe even on the other side of the river!

[ranger]

Have you pulled 2:10 @ 22 OTW continuously for three miles on a twisty regatta course? No you haven't.

No, but as I said, pushing my fitness to max, when I am all trained up for it, I think I'll pull 2:00.

A 5K is not done at 22 spm and a UT2 HR, like a long training row (or FM).

It's done at AT.

ranger

[ranger]

BTW, in Mike's video, he looks _much_ more strained when he lifts the rate to 26 spm.

Oars start to splash; hands wobble on the leg drive; recoveries become uneven, etc.

What was he going there in terms of pace?

2:05 @ 26 spm?

To get to 1:52 @ 30 spm, which I was doing in the video, he would have to raise the pace another 13 seconds per 500m with just four more spm.

He'd have to be pulling pretty darn hard.

He would be sprinting.

The strain would be evident--all over the place.

Lord knows what he would look like then.

Not at all like he looks when he is doing 2:14 @ 20 spm, I suspect, that is, when he is just tapping the boat along, pulling easily, holding a big 4-to-1 ratio, concentrating on technique.

ranger

[macroth]

Those videos were barely 10 strokes long, and you were at 30spm in only one of them. I doubt that 1:52/500m popped up on your screen more than once. You aren't fooling anyone.

[ranger]

Those videos were barely 10 strokes long, and you were at 30spm in only one of them. I doubt that 1:52/500m popped up on your screen more than once. You aren't fooling anyone.

I wasn't rowing 2:14 @ 20 spm in a 4-to-1 ratio, pulling easily, concentrating on technique.

I was at 1K race pace.

ranger

[ranger]

Those videos were barely 10 strokes long

A 1K is only 120 strokes, the whole thing.

ranger

[macroth]

Those videos were barely 10 strokes long

A 1K is only 120 strokes, the whole thing.

ranger

So that's 12 times something you can't do. Nice!

Much like a FM is only 12 times 3500m, but you can't pull 1:48/500m for 3500m so the FM at 1:48 is just a pipe dream. As in crack pipe dream.

[Bob S.]

Wanna bet, mikvan52? You are probably number 2 by far in posts in this thread. I will bet you $1.00 that you can't go 2 weeks without posting. And unlike that little lying pathetic old man, I will pay up if you do.

Well, he sure left you off the hook in a hurry, Ben990. Less than three hours. I thought that he could hold out longer than that.

Bob S.