Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

Do you want to revise your statements about Pinsent any?

I didn't make any statements about Pinsent.

I asked a question:

What has he done in a 1x for 2K?

You haven't answered the question.

ranger

[snowleopard]

Who says that ranger "doesn't know Jack", anyway?

TennessEE -- "I now row like this guy"

[snowleopard]

What has he done in a 1x for 2K?

You haven't answered the question.

Apart from trolling, what is the point/intent of the question? Let's start from there.

What has EE done in a 1x for 2K?

[ranger]

ALL the ergs at erg races are taped down.

Sometimes.

But not always.

I taped my erg down in Cleveland in 2009, when I pulled 6:41.

The ergs were on slick surfaces and moved all over the place.

EE taped his down in Paris in 2003.

Then he kept testing it, seeing whether it was moving--and taping some more.

He did this three or four times.

ranger

[ranger]

Lots of boats on the lake today, with fisherman in the middle. So I couldn't do 1K trials.

What rotten luck. Day after day we heard you were the only one on the water with perfect conditions, and the first time you are going to do trials there are fishermen. But you get high marks for giving a new reason for not doing a trial. Usually fishermen park in one spot but they are a menace because you never know when they are going to cast a line or move to a different location. It would require an awareness and steering skills to deal with that danger.

You were wise to avoid attempting something as treacherous as doing a 1K piece under those conditions. Better safe than sorry. Best is to wait until you have the entire lake to yourself.

Europe Lake is only 1K long, down the center, with reeds on the left and the right.

If someone is fishing in the center of the lake, I can't do 1Ks down the center of the lake.

Indeed, my decision not to try was a good one.

By and large, the fisherman live on the lake.

I don't.

Running the local residents down in my 1x is not very civil behavior.

ranger

[Bob S.]

Moderator alert!

Check the following thread for trolling:

"Beginners? 500m Split, Damper & Leg Force Relationship"

Bob S.

[snowleopard]

Running the local residents down in my 1x is not very civil behavior.

So t-boning an eight would be, say, attempted manslaughter

[Brunsie]

Brunsle wrote:
At this point I believe there is a higher likely hood that someone completely unknown to the erg'ing world will show up and "absolutely (gobsmackingly) blow the hell out of all current standards in senior and veteran erging from 40-70 years old" than there is any chance you will do it.

I am not sure what you are saying here.

Someone "unknown to the erging world" would be someone with no accomplishments in the sport.

This person, you claim, would not be like me.

But I thought you said that the problem with my goals, etc., was that they were out of line with my accomplishments?

I don't understand.

You seem to be saying that in order to be ethically acceptable, anyone who trains ambitiously and idiosyncratically in an effort to set standards at some new level, of necessity, can't have any accomplishments in the sport. Otherwise, as they were training, they would be regarded as a narcissistic braggart. Someone out of the blue wouldn't. They would just come from nowhere and do it, with no talk about it or unusual effort expended, and certainly with no contact, from day to day, with others in the erging world.

Sorry, but that seems a _very_ strange thing to think, both in practical and ethical terms.

Have you read Malamud's _The Natural_, or seen the movie?

You seem to live in a fantasy world something like that.

ranger

Well it is clear there is much you do not understand so it is not at all surprising you don't understand this. I will try to dumb it down for you. First off I will address the fact that you are knowingly taking what I say out of context so I will put it back into context for you, actually never mind, you make false claims about what I say and so I am going to point them out and if you think I am wrong it is your job to show where I did indeed say what you claim I said, good luck.

You claim I said "But I thought you said that the problem with my goals, etc., was that they were out of line with my accomplishments?" I claim I never said any such thing, show us where I said that.

You claim I said "You seem to be saying that in order to be ethically acceptable, anyone who trains ambitiously and idiosyncratically in an effort to set standards at some new level, of necessity, can't have any accomplishments in the sport. Otherwise, as they were training, they would be regarded as a narcissistic braggart." But I didn't, show us where I said that.

Now, let me tell you a little story, it is a true story, you may even be able to relate to the main character in this story, it might sound a little familiar.

Once upon a time, I believe about 10 or 11 years ago there was a lifetime athlete that had participated in many other sports and somehow found his way to a rather little known sport known as erg'ing. He took to it rather enthusiastically and in rather short order entered many major competitions. It turns out he was rather good at it even though he was a beginner and was "technically" not very good at it. During this time it turns out he set 3 WR's even (later to be broken, but he did hold them for a while). So out of nowhere we had someone enter the "sport" with no previous accomplishments in the "sport" and yet set new standards. It turns out our here was a veteran erg'er, participating in the over 50 class. It also turns out that the achievement went to his head, he became an arrogant and narcissistic braggart, lived off his old glories and never had another significant accomplishment in his life.

So, what you see as something "Someone out of the blue wouldn't (be able to accomplish). They would just come from nowhere and do it, with no talk about it or unusual effort expended, and certainly with no contact, from day to day, with others in the erging world." Turns out your previous life is what you claim to be not possible, thanks for serving that up so nicely for me, bet you didn't see that one coming.

We should take a poll and see which one of us live in a "fantasy world or something like that". I know how the results would turn out.

[ranger]

Running the local residents down in my 1x is not very civil behavior.

So t-boning an eight would be, say, attempted manslaughter

The 1K trials would have been intentional manslaughter.

ranger

[Brunsie]

it is all pure fantasy

Nope.

Just the opposite, Roy.

Learning to row well is just hard work and takes a while to get done.

Fantasy is thinking, as Brunsle does, that an accomplishment like learning to row well when you are 60 just comes out of the blue, that it _can't_ come from prolonged, purposeful effort.

ranger

In case you missed it, make sure you see the story in my previous post ranger, I think you will like it.

[ranger]

f your erg is jumping around like you think is advisable, you're going to be going very slowly in the water

I am sure that I _can_ get faster.

But 1:50 @ 32 spm, I think, is fast enough for now, given my purposes.

You aren't any better--at all.

The only question remaining, then, is one of fitness:

At the limit, how high can we raise the rate.

When all is said and done, I think my fitness will let me rate up to 37 spm in a 1K.

At 8 SPI, that would be 1:46.

ranger

[snowleopard]

The 1K trials would be intentional manslaughter.

How so? You now row as well as Mike, so steering isn't an issue, is it?

[ranger]

your arrogance makes you think there is only one way to accomplish something, with this you are wrong. I can not tell you another way to accomplish your goal but I will guarantee you there is another way

Nope.

You're wrong.

There is only one way.

You can't pull 1:34/6:16 for 2K unless you have a strong stroke (12-13 SPI) and use it efficiently.

And to have a strong stroke and use it efficiently when you are 60 years old takes some pretty specific (and unusual) training.

Historically, 60s lwts have pulled about 9 SPI.

At 9 SPI, 1:34 is 47 spm.

Is that the "other way" you are suggesting?

ranger

[ranger]

The 1K trials would be intentional manslaughter.

How so? You now row as well as Mike, so steering isn't an issue, is it?

Oh, there are _lots_ of issues besides just moving the boat that I am infinitely worse at than Mike.

I am just talking about moving the boat, which is all that he is talking about, too.

I don't know how to start at all.

I am probably _very_ bad in bad conditions.

Sure, I don't have much experience at all steering a complex course in a head race.

I wouldn't have a clue how to pass someone else in a head race (or be passed by them).

And so on and so forth.

I am a complete novice when it comes to racing.

I have never completed a race.

I have just been training, working on moving the boat.

Why?

Because that's the central issue, no?

ranger

[ranger]

How much of the stern do you bury underneath the water as you miss the first half of the drive?

At my age, I couldn't be missing or burying anything and still be pulling 1:52/8.3 SPI at 30 spm.

No?

There isn't any other way to evaluate success.

I am moving the boat.

ranger