Ranger's training thread

[mikvan52]

anchor hauling low rate 1ks where you are looking for a good time will be an eye-opener for you...

I am not anchor-hauling anything. I now row as well as you.

I did 2 1Ks yesterday calibrating my speed coach.

So 1Ks are no surprise.

Looking for a good time?

At 22 spm?

I don't understand.

1K trials are done at about 34 psm, not 22 spm.

Is this thread all about splitting semantic hairs?

At 22 spm (or, for that matter, at any spm) you will have a time for 1k... None of which will you ever report because the result would show exactly how you do scull...

Here:
Do you want to measure yourself against someone else w/i 16 months of your age..

This is basically a 10 x 1k workout

http://concept2.co.uk/forum/blog.php?u=7679&b=87971

[snowleopard]

This pronouncement, in itself, shows that after many years of "learning to row" in conjunction with "my work is done" that ranger will never scull fast times over standard race distances.

Eskild E. tapes his erg to the floor.

Prove it.

[ranger]

Take a look at Matt Pinsent pulling a 5:40 something 2K. The erg stays put. Funny eh?

I didn't know that Matt Pinsent was much good in a 1x.

Is he?

What has he done for 2K in a 1x?

ranger

[snowleopard]

Take a look at Matt Pinsent pulling a 5:40 something 2K. The erg stays put. Funny eh?

I didn't know that Matt Pinsent was much good in a 1x.

Is he?

What has he done for 2K in a 1x?

EE is a sweep rower

What's your point? Are you saying Matt P doesn't put anything through the footplate?

[mikvan52]

This pronouncement, in itself, shows that after many years of "learning to row" in conjunction with "my work is done" that ranger will never scull fast times over standard race distances.

In a 1x, the boat leaps forward across the water, with the blades relatively stationary in the water, when pressure is applied at the catch by the legs to the footplate toward the stern.

(snip)

My slide control is now excellent, both OTErg and OTW.

Trouble is: your mouth control is very poor for someone who remains uninstructed in very many ways.

Your characterization of "a boat leaping forward with blades relatively stationary" implies envisioning an erg-type stroke that yields excellent time for the erg but substandard times in a 1x.

Who says (again) that one stroke fits all for the erg and the water.... Not me! (YOU!!)

You need coaching, desperately. Byron is not kidding you with his references to the physics of this matter:
Time is running out (as in you are reaching the latter stages of your competitive athletic life) => get help with your sculling.

and...as applies to this fall: you will not row in a major head race because you know you'd face someone your age who would kick your ass all the way back to that little swamp behind the BattCave

[mikvan52]

I was at Henley (England) this year.
As I watched the races come down I remembered that a very prominent (and extremely fast) erger was to be in the next 4s race. I did not know which seat he was to be sitting in.
From a great distance I saw something out of kilter in the trailing boat.
Yes, it was the (erger) .. trying to make "the boat leap forward at the catch".

Guess Who?

BTW: I have infinite respect for this athlete but I think even he would not say "my work is done" OTW.

[mikvan52]

Take a look at Matt Pinsent pulling a 5:40 something 2K. The erg stays put. Funny eh?

I didn't know that Matt Pinsent was much good in a 1x.

Is he?

What has he done for 2K in a 1x?

EE is a sweep rower

What's your point? Are you saying Matt P doesn't put anything through the footplate?

ranger on (SIr Matthew)Pinsent... be still my heart!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbuESIPFfz4

look how quiet Pinsent’s upper body is ... in contrast to Benton (at Boston)

You can see why Pinsent and Cracknell were chosen for the Gold medal 4 in Athens (!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzSd2cjy46Y

as David Goldstrom says:
“stay long : don’t shorten-up”

There's lots of video of Pinsent w/Redgrave ....=> The 2- is a devilishly hard boat to row from the standpoint of technique

(moderator: BTW: the "take a look" quote was not by me... but let's let that ride... ranger is way too entertaining!
It's like shooting fish in a barrel!)

[ranger]

10K over at Europe Lake just after dawn, after 15K OTErg, just before dawn.

Lots of boats on the lake today, with fisherman in the middle.

So I couldn't do 1K trials.

Too bad, really, because conditions were ideal.

Spent some time setting up my speed coach for 1K workouts, though, and getting a feel for the paces and rates I do now with the .975 calibration on my speed coach.

As it turns out, the new calibration doesn't make much difference.

I can still do a nice 1:52 @ 30 spm, which is wildly better than I was a few years ago in my Peinert26, perhaps by as much as a dozen seconds per 500m at the same rate, given the new calibration.

In the 2008 video of my OTW rowing, I am doing 2:00 @ 30 spm with a 1.0 calibration on my speed coach, which is something like 2:03 @ 30 spm with a .975 calibration.

1:52 @ 30 spm is 8.3 SPI.

2:03 @ 30 spm is 6.2 SPI.

The difference is 11 seconds per 500m, an improvement of about 35%.

This means that I should do 1:50 @ 32 spm, and given that 32 spm is just not that high a rate for a 1K, I should be able to do it right now, despite the fact that I haven't been doing any work at high HRs.

OTW, I'll do a lot of rowing at 32 spm over the next couple of weeks before I go back in Ann Arbor until I get in a good 1K @ 1:50.

Repeat 500s OTW @ 1:50 would be excellent training for 2K OTErg.

At 15 seconds per 500m over erg times at the same rate, 1:50 @ 32 spm OTW is the equivalent of 1:35 @ 32 spm OTErg.

1:35 is right around my 2K target.

ranger

[macroth]

Lies, more lies, obfuscation, all best summarized as "I'll never post my time for a 1K OTW at any stroke rate, are you nuts?"

ranger

[snowleopard]

(moderator: BTW: the "take a look" quote was not by me... but let's let that ride... ranger is way too entertaining!
It's like shooting fish in a barrel!)

[ranger]

What's your point?

??

I thought my question was pretty clear.

Is Matt Pinsett any good in a 1x?

What has he done for 2K in a 1x?

ranger

[ranger]

Your characterization of "a boat leaping forward with blades relatively stationary" implies envisioning an erg-type stroke that yields excellent time for the erg but substandard times in a 1x.

Depends on what you mean by "substandard", I guess.

I now do a nice 1:52 @ 30 spm.

That's 8.3 SPI, and every bit as good as you.

The only question that remains, then, is about fitness.

Over 1K, what can we rate?

This is a question about fitness, not rowing.

How is _that_ going?

In the end, I think I'll rate 37 spm for 1K.

If so, I'll pull 1:46/3:32.

ranger

[snowleopard]

What's your point?

??

I thought my question was pretty clear.

Is Matt Pinsett any good in a 1x?

What has he done for 2K in a 1x?

Not clear at all. What is the point/intent of the question. What has 1x performance to do with jumping ergs?

Sir Matt can lay down vastly more power than EE, yet his static erg is just that. Where is your proof that EE tapes down his erg? What has EE done in a 1x.

The point is, you don't have a point, you're just a troll.

[ranger]

Sorry, Mike.

But are you saying that the boat doesn't move during the leg drive?

That's a pretty odd claim.

Clearly, the _erg_ doesn't move during the leg drive, but are you saying that the boat doesn't move, either?

If so, could you explain?

"From the moment the blades touch the water the boat must accelerate. If there is no acceleration, this shows that the pressure of the blade pushing against the water is lessening." (_Rowing Faster_, p. 171).

ranger

[hjs]

What's your point?

??

I thought my question was pretty clear.

Is Matt Pinsett any good in a 1x?

What has he done for 2K in a 1x?

Not clear at all. What is the point/intent of the question. What has 1x performance to do with jumping ergs?

Sir Matt can lay down vastly more power than EE, yet his static erg is just that. Where is your proof that EE tapes down his erg? What has EE done in a 1x.

The point is, you don't have a point, you're just a troll.

A big point is the surface the ergs are on, on a rough surface there is no problem, on a slippery one there are easily problems, has not much to do with power.