Ranger's training thread

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » August 8th, 2011, 3:32 pm

mrfit wrote:You do not disappoint me. I know you had no speed for racing this year. It was right there on your Kurt Kinetic workout results.
Naw.

Biking and rowing are _very_ different sports.

Rowing is a full body sport.

Biking is just a matter of legs.

Even though I have been a lifelong runner, skeletal-muscularly, my major assets are my core and back, which for my size, are _very_ strong.

Rowing is _very_ technical.

Biking is much less so.

I have a bad, trashed, twenty-year-old bike.

This last winter, my bike would only work in one gear, probably the wrong one.

I don't even wear shoes that snap into my pedals.

I rarely bike on the road and therefore probably pedal with enormous inefficiency.

In the winter, I biked each day after rowing hard for 20K, just as cross-training.

I never bike hard, that is, with a HR much over UT2.

Etc.

What can you do rowing for two and a half hours OTErg?

That would be telling.

Post a result for us.

Then we can compare it with your biking.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by NavigationHazard » August 8th, 2011, 3:43 pm

While it's true that where and when you race (or do timed pieces, or accurately report workout sessions) is up to you, it's also true that where and when you brag about what you're going to do before you do it is up to you. No one else but bigmouthed braggart you. If you're going to come on to a public forum and announce three hundred times that you're going to do something you should expect to be sledged when you fail even to attempt it once. Your argument that you're doing it for yourself isn't fooling anyone. You're posting here because you have an ego louder (and uglier) than Lady Gaga's lipstick.

As for your rowing in a multiple rower boat, or for a team, or for country, or for any organization or cause, I agree with Roland that no one would have you. You're the sort who brings sculling oars to a sweep boat.
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Another I now row well posting

Post by Byron Drachman » August 8th, 2011, 3:57 pm

Today Ranger wrote: Until just recently, there hasn't been any reason at all for me to race my boat. I wasn't good enough. I was still struggling with very basic things (e.g., good catches and finishes, proper leverage at the footplate, proper posture, clearing my oars cleanly, a proper rhythm internal to the drive, proper recoveries, proper timing and sequencing of my levers, proper grip, etc.). Over the past couple of years, I have worked many of these things out. So, now, I am in a position to benefit from racing OTW. Before, I wasn't.
Ranger wrote: Feb 7, 2006:I have just been learning a quality OTW stroke. That project is now complete.

June 12, 2008: My stroke is now a dream to use, entirely relaxed. –snip--so my erging and OTW rowing have merged perfectly. My stroke is the same both OTW and off.

April 22, 2009: I have been doing dedicated and focused OTW rowing for five years.
--snip--I now know how to row. I have made steady progress OTW, since I started to row OTW in the summer of 2003. My technique work on the erg has helped my OTW a lot. I am now ready to race OTW.

June 27, 2010: No need for Craftsbury, if I am rowing this well. No one my age is rowing any better.

August 27, 2010: Now, I row _very_ well, both OTW and off.

September 8, 2010: Then over the last seven years I have learned to row well, both OTW and off.

October 17, 2010: I am doing _great_ in my OTW rowing.

July 10, 2011: I have been rowing continuously for a decade now, both OTErg and OTW.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » August 8th, 2011, 4:07 pm

NavitationHazard wrote:If you're going to come on to a public forum and announce three hundred times that you're going to do something you should expect to be sledged when you fail even to attempt it once
I haven't failed at anything in this sport yet, much less failed to attempt something.

Maybe there will be a first, but there is no precedent for it.

I couldn't be more accomplished and decorated.

More to come.

Your bitching and moaning is just your own sad sack attitude--and failures.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » August 8th, 2011, 4:13 pm

I was curious.

This, just now, from Elizabeth Diamond, my contact for the HOCR.
Elizabeth Diamond wrote:Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 11:04:03 -0400 [11:04:03 AM EDT]
From: Elizabeth Diamond <ediamond@hocr.org>
To: 'Richard D Cureton 1' <rcureton@umich.edu>
Subject: RE: Veterans Singles
Richard -

Thanks for your email. There was not a problem with your entry application.
Unfortunately it simply wasn't selected through the lottery. You are
currently 20th on the waitlist. We received a record number of applications
to all event-divisions this year.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » August 8th, 2011, 4:18 pm

NavigationHazard wrote: uglier) than Lady Gaga's lipstick.
too good!
:lol:
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by NavigationHazard » August 8th, 2011, 4:20 pm

ranger wrote:
NavitationHazard wrote:If you're going to come on to a public forum and announce three hundred times that you're going to do something you should expect to be sledged when you fail even to attempt it once
I haven't failed at anything in this sport yet, much less failed to attempt something.

Maybe there will be a first, but there is no precedent for it.

I couldn't be more accomplished and decorated.

More to come.

Your bitching and moaning is just your own sad sack attitude--and failures.

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Hmm.... Splash goes the chariot....
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » August 8th, 2011, 4:25 pm

ranger wrote: I haven't failed at anything in this sport yet, much less failed to attempt something.

Maybe there will be a first, but there is no precedent for it.

I couldn't be more accomplished and decorated.
RANGER'S TOP LIST OF FAILURES

1:
Amsterdam 2006 DO you call fourth place a success?

2:
Winning Hwt Crash-B w/a lightweight stamp = 2007 what were you? 14th?


3: Going to a race and sitting in the stands instead of racing failure to make weight, over and over


4:
BIRC 2010 = 6:16 - 6:30 prediction / =>actual result = more than 7:00 aka racing with breaks

5:
The bet with Henry AND(!) 5 years of failure to beat ROY'S RECORD

6: NOT SENDING IN ANY TIME FOR THE USIRT
result: not selected for the team... One that included Nav' BTW...\\

and the list goes on and on


Rich: What's your short list of successes :roll:
:mrgreen:

1: 2003
2: 2003
3: 2003
4: 2003
5: 2003 ?
B) :!:
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by jliddil » August 8th, 2011, 4:27 pm

ranger wrote:I was curious.

This, just now, from Elizabeth Diamond, my contact for the HOCR.
Elizabeth Diamond wrote:Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 11:04:03 -0400 [11:04:03 AM EDT]
From: Elizabeth Diamond <ediamond@hocr.org>
To: 'Richard D Cureton 1' <rcureton@umich.edu>
Subject: RE: Veterans Singles
Richard -

Thanks for your email. There was not a problem with your entry application.
Unfortunately it simply wasn't selected through the lottery. You are
currently 20th on the waitlist. We received a record number of applications
to all event-divisions this year.
ranger
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » August 8th, 2011, 4:35 pm

The system used by the Head of the Charles for entries is a good one, I think.

If I get an entry next year, or the year after, working my way up the waiting list, then it will just be up to me to finish within 5% (a minute or so) of the leaders.

2:05 pace?

If I can do this, I will always have an automatic entry.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » August 8th, 2011, 4:37 pm

jliddil wrote:@$$hole using your work e-mail for non-university communciations
I am on a nine-month contract.

At the moment, I am not working in the summer (June, July, August).

Most of my colleagues don't work summers, either.

I am not paid for anything I do in these months.

Nor are they.

The computer is mine to use as I wish.

I can also use the computer into retirement, for as long as I wish, for whatever I wish.

I retire, April 2013.

In retirement, I will have no "duties," of course, but I will get medical benefits, use of the library, an office, use of recreational facilities, access to university parking, the right to attend department and university committee meetings, etc.

As it turns out, because of a rich defined contribution retirement system and smart investment decisions on my part, I might also have my lifetime earnings at the University of Michigan over the last 28 years in my retirement account.

Nice!

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » August 8th, 2011, 4:53 pm

The issue for most of the best OTW veteran (60s+) rowers (Dietz, van Beuren, etc.) is their fitness.

They've lost it.

I haven't.

Could be a problem for them.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » August 8th, 2011, 4:54 pm

Rich:

DO try to get in the HOCR next year...
They will remember that you were rejected the year before. This will give you priority in the selection procedure according to HOCR selection rules.
Once in: If you fail to make it in faster than 10.01% than the fastest in your group in the year of your competition... :( :( ... you fall back to the worst stance in the lottery for the next year...


There's info at hocr.org...

Wouldn't it be great if, in 2012 we are both accepted and both over 60! :D
mano a mano (hmmm)
maybe, more aptly, it should be hasta la vista :?:


Do try some head racing this fall... any experience will stand you in good stead....
(No hype here my st-range(r)friend)

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » August 8th, 2011, 4:59 pm

ranger wrote:The issue for the best OTW veteran (60s+) rower (me) is my mojo.

I've lost it.

Could be a problem for me

ranger
Fixed!

Not to worry...
Get your "time machine"
and go get some from 2003
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » August 8th, 2011, 5:01 pm

Mike VB--

Your definition of "failure" is a laugher.

It is amazing that you have ever gotten _anything_ done.

All significant achievement involves false starts, frustrations, obstacles, delay, learning, reversals, etc.

Are you going to win the Head of the Charles--ever?

If not, that would be a _real_ failure.

And if you can't rate 30 spm for 5K OTW, holding your technique together, you're never going to win.

I suspect you're headed for another 10th place finish this year.

No?

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