Ranger's training thread

[whp4]

it will be a dozen seconds per 500m faster than anyone my age and weight has rowed for the distance, six seconds per 500m faster than those my age who are hugely bigger, like Oesterling, who is 6'5", 230 lbs., six seconds per 500m faster than I was able to do myself ten years ago, even though the normal decline with age among veterans is four seconds per 500m a decade.

A FM @ 1:48 predicts a 6:16 2K, 26 seconds under the current 60s lwt 2K WR, 22 seconds under the current 55s lwt 2K WR, nine seconds under the current 50s lwt 2K WR, and a second under the current 40s lwt 2K WR.

An impressive list of reasons why you will never be able to do anything of the sort...

[mikvan52]

This is what I'm aiming for...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCwY6SPK ... ature=fvwp

Looks like Dan's pullin' 8 SPI.

Nice.

ranger

One only needs to pull 10.6 SPI to land a WR...........

Roy:
Have you told the gents down at Vesta about SPI theory...? I'd love to be a fly on the wall to see their puzzled looks

I have a question for all those who are able to calculate their spi on the water: Where's the watt read-out on the SpeedCoach???

[ranger]

One only needs to pull 10.6 SPI to land a WR...........

Actually, if you are a lwt and can rate 38 spm, OTW, you only need to pull about 9.5 SPI to land the Open lwt 2K WR.

Just rowing easily at UT2, 9.5 SPI is 1:58 @ 22 spm.

If you can rate 38 spm, OTErg, you'll need 13 SPI to land the Open lwt 2K WR.

Just rowing easily at UT2, 13 SPI is 1:46 @ 22 spm.

Or are you just talking about 60-year-old men like us?

I now do the easy 1:46 @ 22 spm OTErg just fine.

I am only at 2:05 @ 22 spm OTW, though.

I still have lots to learn.

No hurry.

I am making good progress.

This year, OTW, I am eight seconds per 500m faster at the same rate than I was last year.

ranger

[ranger]

it will be a dozen seconds per 500m faster than anyone my age and weight has rowed for the distance, six seconds per 500m faster than those my age who are hugely bigger, like Oesterling, who is 6'5", 230 lbs., six seconds per 500m faster than I was able to do myself ten years ago, even though the normal decline with age among veterans is four seconds per 500m a decade.

A FM @ 1:48 predicts a 6:16 2K, 26 seconds under the current 60s lwt 2K WR, 22 seconds under the current 55s lwt 2K WR, nine seconds under the current 50s lwt 2K WR, and a second under the current 40s lwt 2K WR.

An impressive list of reasons why you will never be able to do anything of the sort...

Nope.

As a 60s veteran, to do these things, you just need to row well.

And that's that.

And nothing at all prevents a talented 60s rower from rowing well except inappropriate training and technical neglect.

ranger

[ranger]

If you are good enough, technically, to pull 8 SPI OTW, as I am now, all you have to do is rate 28 spm in a head race (3 miles, 5K, etc.) and you'll be doing 1:56.

For a 60s rower, that's good enough to win, wherever, including the Head of the Charles.

At 15 seconds over erg times at the same rate, 1:56 @ 28 spm OTW is the equivalent of 1:41 @ 28 spm (12.2 SPI) OTErg.

The 60s lwt 5K WR OTErg is 1:44; the 60s hwt 5K WR OTErg is 1:43.

OTErg, Mike VB pulls 5K,1:48 @ 28 spm.

That's why he'll never win the Head of the Charles.

If Mike VB could pull 5K OTErg, 1:41 @ 28 spm (12.2 SPI), as I will do easily, he'd win the Head of the Charles.

ranger

[Rocket Roy]

The 60s lwt 5K WR OTErg is 1:44; the 60s hwt 5K WR OTErg is 1:43.

OTErg, Mike VB pulls 5K,1:48 @ 28 spm.



ranger

In the 2 hours I've been OTW, I have leant that it is not power you need but technique to move a boat, so it doesn't matter a fig how strong you are OTE.
Get it?

Mike obviously has great technique, as is obvious if you watch him OTW. That is why he is a Champion hwt and lwt sculler of the USA.

[Bob S.]

I believe it's called a pushmepullyou-type double. It's related to Ranger's boat, which I gather is a Doolittle....

Neat!

Bob S.

[Bob S.]

No Nav, It had a long end piece so front and back looked the same.

Nor a virus,( I thought he meant computer virus ) just a standard 2x

Back in the boat at 3pm tomorrow, low tide time. My first time out was with a high tide with a strong wind, quite choppy.

one of these;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_scull

Actually, the Wiki photo shows a 2x with a bow ball, so that someone who was really picky (Who? Me? Why would you think that?) could argue that the bow was less pointy than the stern. Of course, in the original message, it was clear that the bow was intended, since an instructor has to be in the bow in order to observe the instructee (is that a word? my computer didn't like it).

Bob S.

[Rocket Roy]

No Nav, It had a long end piece so front and back looked the same.

Nor a virus,( I thought he meant computer virus ) just a standard 2x

Back in the boat at 3pm tomorrow, low tide time. My first time out was with a high tide with a strong wind, quite choppy.

one of these;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_scull

Actually, the Wiki photo shows a 2x with a bow ball, so that someone who was really picky (Who? Me? Why would you think that?) could argue that the bow was less pointy than the stern. Of course, in the original message, it was clear that the bow was intended, since an instructor has to be in the bow in order to observe the instructee (is that a word? my computer didn't like it).

Bob S.

Works for me BoB!!

[Byron Drachman]

Hi Byron,
It's thanks to you that I have taken to the water. And you are right the sooner the better. I should have done it years ago.....

I hope to keep getting on the water all through the year and by next year enter some comp's. HOC maybe???

This is what I'm aiming for...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCwY6SPK ... ature=fvwp

Hi Roy,
OMG what a neat video. It captures the attraction of sculling beautifully. Here is one of my favorite quotes

Ergos are the invention of the Devil to torture the bodies & souls of
the damned. Only the good get to scull. Web posting by Carl Douglas

Byron

[Bob S.]

Here is one of my favorite quotes

Ergos are the invention of the Devil to torture the bodies & souls of
the damned. Only the good get to scull. Web posting by Carl Douglas

Byron

Pretty harsh, but there is a lot of truth to it.

In defense of sweeps, there are very few moments that match the sweet feel of a well coordinated 8 when it reaches that point where it sings through the water. I can't think of any other way to describe it. But it has been a long, long time since I have felt that.

Bob S.

[mrfit]

Amen Bob, when I rowed It was all sweep 4's and 8's . I thought those that rowed anything else were just side shows. 8's HAUL!

[whp4]

And nothing at all prevents me from rowing well except inappropriate training and technical neglect.

ranger

Fixed that for you.

[mikvan52]

Hi Byron,
It's thanks to you that I have taken to the water. And you are right the sooner the better. I should have done it years ago.....

I hope to keep getting on the water all through the year and by next year enter some comp's. HOC maybe???

This is what I'm aiming for...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCwY6SPK ... ature=fvwp

I would rather aim for boat movement that looked like Katrin Rutchow-Stomporowski's at Athens 2004

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6yHQ9hoJ_E

Specifically : V.little movement of the bow going down in the water at the release.. The other video shows too much bounce.. pArticularly at a paddle...

And after all... being "senior" we can no longer rely too much on physical power... It's got to be form.

Cheers, all !

[Bob S.]

I would rather aim for boat movement that looked like Katrin Rutchow-Stomporowski's at Athens 2004

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6yHQ9hoJ_E

Specifically : V.little movement of the bow going down in the water at the release.. The other video shows too much bounce.. pArticularly at a paddle...

And after all... being "senior" we can no longer rely too much on physical power... It's got to be form.

Cheers, all !

It's too damn bad that the bigwigs at FISA, for whatever reason, banned the gooney rig. It just about eliminated bow bounce. At least that is one thing that the Virus (with a capitol "V" and pronounced "vee-rus") has going for it. It is also too bad that here is not enough interest for them to market a competition version. FISA made sure of that.

Bob S.