Ranger's training thread

[snowleopard]

So just ask how fast they can move a boat.

You haven't stayed in your boat long enough to finish a race yet. Do you really think you are qualified to comment?

Incidentally, could you post a screencap' of the email you got from HotC ballot saying you were unsuccessful on this occasion.

[Citroen]

don't see many head bobbers OTW like you!

I no longer bob my head, OTW or OTErg.

So that's been fixed since November when you rowed a head bobbing, anchor hauling 7:03.2 with breaks.

[ranger]

10K OTW over at Europe Lake.

Perfect conditions.

Yea.

When I am rowing well, I now pull 8 SPI, on the button.

2:00 @ 25 spm, 1:53 @ 30 spm, etc.

Delighted with this.

8 SPI is my technical goal for OTW rowing.

OTW, 8 SPI is right around 15 seconds per 500m above erg times @ 13 SPI and the same rate.

ranger

[leadville]

Depends....

Nav - priceless!!

[ranger]

don't see many head bobbers OTW like you!

I no longer bob my head, OTW or OTErg.

So that's been fixed since November when you rowed a head bobbing, anchor hauling 7:03.2 with breaks.

Yep.

Since the head bobbing sub-6:30 2K @ 12 SPI in 2006, at high drag, without even preparing for it, I have made some substantial advances.

Full slide, low drag, better catches, bracing with the back, big push with the heels at the footplate, and better finishes, again bracing with the back.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 df.).

And I am now preparing to race.

The combination of these should give me the additional three seconds per 500m I need to hit my target--6:16 at 60--despite the second per 500m or so I have lost because of decline with age since 2006.

My fitness is still maximal.

I am rowing well, 25K a day.

ranger

[mikvan52]

And I am now preparing to race.



My fitness is still maximal.




I am rowing well

Ipse Dixit


... explain again why you are unable to rank anything IND_V ...

[mikvan52]

Byron:
I,too, have been looking for Rich's name on the entry list for the 60's 1x at Master's Nationals

https://www.regattacentral.com:443/rega ... vent_id=44

Do you think Rich needs help with his online skills to get himself registered?

[mrfit]

Mike,

I was going to check that site too. Right after I check for messages from Kate Beckinsale on my answering machine.

[mikvan52]

Mike,

I was going to check that site too. Right after I check for messages from Kate Beckinsale on my answering machine.

Look at Kate. She's so sad. Her little lwt, ranger, has been under performing these past years and she's down in the dumps.

http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/image ... 308-lg.jpg

What's needed here is a stellar performance from our hero not a black hole in the blogosphere

[Byron Drachman]

Byron:
I,too, have been looking for Rich's name on the entry list for the 60's 1x at Master's Nationals

https://www.regattacentral.com:443/rega ... vent_id=44

Do you think Rich needs help with his online skills to get himself registered?

Let's pretend that our hero wants to do OTW regattas rather than just talk about them. I agree that it would be a daunting task for our intrepid hero. He would need to read and digest the instructions at the Masters Nationals website, and reading comprehension is not his strong suit. He would have to join US Rowing and then submit a late entry. That could be overwhelming for someone who cannot comprehend manuals.

[snowleopard]

The combination of these should give me the additional three seconds per 500m I need to hit my target--6:16 at 60--despite the second per 500m or so I have lost because of decline with age since 2006.

So you actually need four seconds per 500m, then

[hjs]

The combination of these should give me the additional three seconds per 500m I need to hit my target--6:16 at 60--despite the second per 500m or so I have lost because of decline with age since 2006.

So you actually need four seconds per 500m, then

Yes time stood still, once you have done something that is carved in stone and easy to reproduce.

Ps Dangy how are your investments going? You proberly have sold everything on the top again and are waiting for the next buying opportunity.

How much have you made with my 1000 Dollar

[ranger]

So you actually need four seconds per 500m

From improvements in technique?

Yes.

But getting that kind of benefit from rowing well at low drag is not unreasonable at all.

This benefit is not specific to me at all.

Anyone who rowed badly (10 SPI for lightweights; 13 SPI for heavyweights) at max drag (200+ df.) and then learned to row well (13 SPI for lightweights; 16 SPI for heavyweights) at low drag (120 df.) would get the same benefit.

ranger

[ranger]

As the numbers have been working out, I think that the relevance of rowing at 10 MPS OTErg for veteran lightweights is entirely accidental and in the end just a flattering mistake.

Rowing at 10 MPS OTW in a 1x is something else entirely.

OTW times are about fifteen seconds per 500m slower at the same rate.

The relevance of rowing at 10 MPS OTErg for veteran lightweights is that veteran lightweights, especially older veterans (55s, 60s, etc.) are about fifteen seconds per 500m slower than younger rowers.

So, rowing at 10 MPS OTErg is "good" rowing for them, if you define "good" relative to what old men can usually do, and therefore have usually done, historically.

The mistake in embracing this accidental merger of unrelated numbers, I think, is that there is really no necessary decline whatsoever in the skeletal-muscular capabilities of older men.

If older men keep up their skeletal-muscular fitness they can still row well at 50, 60, or even 70--hey, perhaps even 80.

Sure, older men slowly lose their aerobic capacity, but that is another issue entirely and one that also depends heavily on what is done to maintain it or squander it.

If you keep your fitness at a near maximal level, losses in aerobic capacity, I think, only account for _half_ of the observed second a year over 2K decline among veteran rowers.

The rest of the decline is skeletal-muscular, and therefore, unnecessary.

For whatever reason, veteran rowers tend to give up on their technique, or for many, never learn to row well at low drag in first place.

If he had rowed well at low drag, I think people like Andy Ripley could have pulled 5:50 at 50, right around four seconds per 500m better than he ended up doing (6:07).

Ripley just jammed the drag to max and hauled anchor with all of his levers simultaneously, both beginning and ending his stroke with the swing of his back, just as I did in 2002-2003.

Against maximal resistance, this works pretty well, as far as it goes.

As a technique, it isn't nearly as good as rowing well at low drag, though.

A good rowing stroke is precisely timed and sequenced and relies on length and speed rather than brute strength.

It isn't like weight-lifting.

It's like a whiplash.

ranger

[macroth]

As the numbers have been working out,...

Stop worrying about the numbers, Richie, you can barely count to 10 on your fingers without messing up.

If older men keep up their skeletal-muscular fitness they can still row well at 50, 60, or even 70--hey, perhaps even 80.

Eff me. The pathological one will still be here saying he will "soon" pull a FM at 1:48 and a 6:16 2K when he's 70, perhaps even 80, won't he? Lord have mercy on this forum, put this thread out of its misery.