Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

If you honestly feel that reporting the results of any timed piece at all ("racing your training") is devastating to your training progress, then stop promising to do so

For me, timed pieces are part of race preparation, not training.

Timed pieces force your HR up and challenge your fitness, which is what happens in a race, too.

But timed pieces themselves don't make you better at rowing.

I am now preparing to race.

So, sure, I will now do timed pieces.

But if I do well on the timed pieces, the timed pieces won't be the reason why.

If I do well on the timed pieces, it will be because, in my training, I learned how to get better at rowing: I learned how to row well.

ranger

[chgoss]

If you honestly feel that reporting the results of any timed piece at all ("racing your training") is devastating to your training progress, then stop promising to do so

For me, timed pieces are part of race preparation, not training.

If you think that is a true statement, why do you make a promise to do a timed piece every week, of every month, of every year? Are you preparing to race all that time?

I am now preparing to race. So, sure, I will now do timed pieces.

No you aren't, and no you wont
you can call that nay saying all you want, but the reality is you have been claiming to be "preparing to race" every year for the past 8, and never once produced a timed piece.

there is a much better way rich...

[ranger]

Nice 10K OTW in my Fluid over at Europe Lake.

Still a pretty stiff SW wind, which drove me to the lee shore and the reeds again, seeking cover.

Yea.

When I rev it up OTW now, I am indeed pulling 8 SPI, right on the button.

1:53 @ 30 spm, 1:52 @ 31 spm, 1:51 @ 32 spm, 1:50 @ 33 spm, 1:49 @ 34 spm, etc.

So that would mean 1:45 @ 38 spm.

Delighted with this.

I wonder: Can I do 38 spm for 1K in my 1x?

ranger

[ranger]

Are you preparing to race

Yes.

ranger

[ranger]

Are you preparing to race all that time?

Clearly not.

I haven't prepared to race since 2003.

But as far as I can tell, everyone else is.

All of the standard training plans for rowing are just race preparation.

None of them have much at all to do with training.

Training isn't a performance.

It is an opportunity to get better.

None of the standard training plans for rowing say anything at all at how to get better at the sport.

ranger

[chgoss]

Are you preparing to race

Yes. ranger

And yet, next year at this time. You will adamantly claim that you weren't preparing to race in Aug 2011.. Just like when I asked you in 2010 if you were sharpening, and you said yes.. and now you say you weren't.. weird huh?

I have no beef in particular with you rich.. obviously you want to believe that a 6:16 2k, or a 1:48 FM is just right around the corner, that all the abuse that's been heaped on you over the years will be shrugged off in one dramatic so-there performance that forever establishes you as the best that ever was, humiliates Dennis/Roy/Mike Caviston/US Indoor Rowing Coaching staff/etc.. and demonstrates that you were right all along.

but...


anyway, signing off for the day. here's hoping that you get some OTW race experience before showing up at HOCR. Its extremely narrow, extremely crowded, extremely turny, people all over are shouting, those bridges are no joke fella. It is definitely not a place to do your second race at.

[ranger]

the reality is you have been claiming to be "preparing to race" every year for the past 8, and never once produced a timed piece.

Well, let's not exaggerate.

These are some of the "timed pieces" I did, all in public, at race venues, over the last eight years (since 2003).

In 2004, I had two WR rows, two sub-6:30 rows as a lightweight, and won both BIRC and EIRC in championship record time, BIRC in WR time.

In 2006, when I was 55, I pulled sub-6:30 as a heavyweight, without even preparing for it.

In 2007, I won BIRC in championship record time, without even preparing for it.

In 2009, I had the best 2K in the 55s lwts, without even preparing for it, and even though I was 58 years old.

In 2010, I had the best 2K for my age and weight in the 55s lwts, without even preparing for it, and even though I was 59 years old.

Gosh.

Perhaps I am wrong in this, but among male veteran rowers, this is one of the best racing records, bar none, over these eight years, 2003-2011.

For instance, over these years, Rocket Roy had one WR row, which was the best time in the 55s lwts for that year, and a couple of sub-6:40 rows as a heavyweight.

ranger

[ranger]

Are you preparing to race

Yes. ranger

And yet, next year at this time. You will adamantly claim that you weren't preparing to race in Aug 2011

Given my racing record in this sport, nothing at all motivates this kind of nasty comment but ill will and ignorance.

ranger

[Rocket Roy]

Claiming that I don't perform is just a lie. I perform as much or more than anyone.


ranger

Yes you do perform sometime's, just not as well as others. And sometimes you don't perform after travelling all the way to the venue. Is what they are saying I think.

[Rocket Roy]

I don't at all think I am going change something major

13 SPI has always been my standard, my ideal.

13 SPI @ 32 spm is a 6:16 2K.

13 SPI (1:46 @ 22 spm, etc.) is the stroking power that Mike C. recommends in his level 4 rowing for those with a 2K of 6:16.

Etc.

ranger

But why try to pull 13 spi when you clearly can't for more than 100m?

[mikvan52]

For me, timed pieces are part of race preparation, not training.

Complete and utter mealy mouthed garbage.

Paces are set for training and noted in order to determine if a training goal has been met... Hence, they are timed.

Even if you back at RWB you know the time of day you sit down on the erg and the time of day you get off and the # of meters... again... such a workout is a timed piece!

Go stand in the corner, dunce. Take your troll-statements elsewhere: you're not convincing a single person...

[mikvan52]

you don't perform and never will

Well, this is a training forum for indoor rowing.

As a 50s veteran like you, I had six sub-6:30 2Ks and a dozen sub-6:40 2Ks, all done at race venues, including all of the major championships.

You had none.

I had three WR rows.

You had none.

I have raced OTErg three or four times as many times as you.

I had the best 2K in the 50s lwts five out of the nine years I have been rowing, with sub-6:30 rows as a heavyweight in two of the other years.

Hmm.

Sounds like you are getting your facts a little jumbled.

Yes, a couple of years over the last nine years I didn't compete. I was doing other things, or I felt I wasn't ready. That is not at all unusual for veteran rowers, who are no longer kids and have busy lives and many responsibilities elsewhere.

I don't perform?

Lordy.

Most of the good veteran rowers I competed against eight years ago no longer row at all.

I am still rowing 20K a day, sometimes more.

ranger

To which you should add>>> All these pieces (sub 6:40, sub 6:30) done either before you were 55 or when you were a hwt.

I did not start going for records until after age 55 and always as lwt...
You have had no major championshiops (WIRC, EIRC, BIRC) after age 55...
You have no current world or American records.

You concentrate on a failed BS-training concept (SPI) the BIG stroke..

You have never completed a single competition or IND_V effort at your vaunted SPI level.

You are a fake.... hiding on the internet, the perfect troll domain.

You will never post a WR IND_V erg effort nor will you ever complete an OTW at the levels you put forward as "possible".

Let the game continue. It's entertaining watching you twist in the wind on your own rope...

[ben990]

the reality is you have been claiming to be "preparing to race" every year for the past 8, and never once produced a timed piece.

Well, let's not exaggerate.

These are some of the "timed pieces" I did, all in public, at race venues, over the last eight years (since 2003).

In 2004,...

In 2006, ...

In 2007, ...

In 2009, ...

In 2010, ...

In 2011, my best 2K was 7:02.3. I guess I am just slowing down.

Gosh.

ranger

Gosh. I fixed your post for you.

[ranger]

But why try to pull 13 spi when you clearly can't for more than 100m?

I'll do it for all of the distances, Roy, starting with a FM and working down: HM, 60min, 10K, 30min, 6K, 5K, 2K.

13 SPI is just my normal motion.

Your stroking power depends on your technique.

If you learned to row well, you would also stroke at 13 SPI.

Sounds like you need a better coach.

In this sport, if a coach encourages you to row badly, he/she doesn't know their ass from their elbow.

ranger

[ranger]

n 2011, my best 2K was 7:02.3. I guess I am just slowing down.

Naw.

In 2011, I just didn't get in a good race, as I didn't in a couple of other years over the last decade, too.

I decided to continue to train, rather than to race, and for good reason, and to a good result.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 df.).

So, now, when I am fully prepared, I am in a position to pull 6:16, my target for 2K.

In all things, you need to distribute your efforts in some maximally productive way between investment and spending.

If you just spend and spend, you end up busted, foreclosed, indebted.

You just get worse and worse.

ranger