Ranger's training thread

[Rocket Roy]

Any 60 Lwt's over in US land want a race to the WR in our class?

R******* how about you?

What training are you doing, and what does it point to?

Roy, don''t mention the R word, that won't be allowed, just talk about you own training, and let other guys also report on there training, everything else will be killed...

Ok, thanks, I'll post some of my training here.

Today was a 10k at 1.59.4, just making new neural pathways.

[mikvan52]

just making new neural pathways.

What to they say about old dogs?

We should be so lucky to achieve such a goal at this stage in life !
Glad to see you back on the war path!

Brian Bailey's (2k / 60's lwt) record will be challenged at... (?) BIRC &/or WIRC

[ranger]

So you mean the 60-64 lwt record is "soft", like you said my record set in 2006 was soft?

Historically?

Given current training methods and lifestyles?

A bit, I think, but not too bad.

6:40 would be a decline of a second per year over 2K after 20--on the button.

Then again, no veteran rowers have ever bothered to learn to row well, especially those like Brian, who are runners, bikers, rugby players, gym rats, etc., and have never rowed OTW.

In his younger days, Brian was a pretty good 5K runner.

14:20?

ranger

[ranger]

In this case, I reported the distance pretty exactly, while under-reporting the time and speed.

In the more conventional physics, if you accurately report the distance and under-report the time then you have over-reported the speed, not under-reported it.

Not this time, though.

Just rounding off to even numbers, I said I was going along at 16 mph.

As it turns out, I was going 16.3 mph.

So, sure, I under-reported my speed.

ranger

[ranger]

I can quantify and prove what I do.

This is a training forum for indoor rowing.

Everyone "quantifies and proves" what they can do when they race.

No need for this sort of quantification elsewhere.

The point of training for rowing is to get better at it, not to "quantify what you do."

Perhaps it is just my training style, but I think that "quantifying what you do" in your training is just a big distraction from this central task of training.

You can learn something important about rowing in a training session without this learning having anything to do with time over distance rowed.

And I would say that those who race their training, those who are interested in "quantifying what they do," don't learn anything at all about rowing when they train, and don't care to.

Sorry, but there is _overwhelming_ evidence that those who are obsessed with "quantifying what they do" when they train just get worse and worse.

And worse.

They row like shit, but either aren't aware of it, or don't care, even though it is exactly this that makes them so bad.

And even though they train hard, worse and worse.

IMO, the whole culture that surrounds this forum misses the point of training for rowing--entirely.

Effective training for rowing is all about getting better at rowing.

Rowing is primarily technical and skeletal-muscular.

It is only peripherally physiological.

Lots of people are fit.

But most of those people can't row a lick.

Rowing is all about how much work you can get done easily while rowing.

It doesn't have much at all to do with how hard you can work.

ranger

[ranger]

I'm back rowing.

15K OTErg this morning before dawn.

Out OTW after breakfast.

The big lake is like glass.

Beautiful cadence now OTErg, 1:48 @ 21 spm (13 SPI).

I'm rowing well.

Better catches and finishes.

Rowing is all about footwork, balance, leverage, timing, sequencing, length, rhythmicity, preparation, consistency, etc.

Pulling 13 SPI at 120 df., I get the entire vertical spread of the graph of the PM4 with the peak of my force curve: 135 kgF.

My drive time is only .5 seconds.

So, at 21 spm, I am in close to a 5-to-1 ratio.



ranger

[ranger]

Any 60 Lwt's over in US land want a race to the WR in our class?

R******* how about you?

What training are you doing, and what does it point to?

Roy, don''t mention the R word, that won't be allowed, just talk about you own training, and let other guys also report on there training, everything else will be killed...

Ok, thanks, I'll post some of my training here.

Today was a 10k at 1.59.4, just making new neural pathways.

Neural pathways are technical/skeletal-muscular.

Reporting your time over some distance rowed doesn't say anything at all about your technique.

What new neural pathways are you making?

Which part(s) of your stroke are you working on?

ranger

[ben990]

15K OTErg this morning before dawn.

Beautiful cadence now OTErg, 1:48 @ 21 spm (13 SPI).

ranger

Please clarify and check one:

[ ] I rowed 15K OTErg at 1:48, continuously, and the total workout was 54 minutes.
[ ] I rowed 15K OTErg, seeing 1:48 once in a while, and my workout was longer than 54 minutes
[ ] Other. please explain: _________________________________________________________

Thanks.

[ranger]

15K OTErg this morning before dawn.

Beautiful cadence now OTErg, 1:48 @ 21 spm (13 SPI).

ranger

Please clarify and check one:

[ ] I rowed 15K OTErg at 1:48, continuously, and the total workout was 54 minutes.
[ ] I rowed 15K OTErg, seeing 1:48 once in a while, and my workout was longer than 54 minutes
[x] Other. please explain: _________________________________________________________

Thanks.

15K OTErg this morning before dawn.

Beautiful cadence now OTErg, 1:48 @ 21 spm (13 SPI).

ranger

[ranger]

Somewhat frustrating 10K OTW in my Fluid on the big lake, after 15K OTErg.

Beautiful conditions (clear, calm, warm)--but constant boat waves.

This is the height of the season now in Door County and the boats OTW are multiplying.

Europe Lake might be a better rowing venue now, even if the big lake is calm.

When I row on Europe Lake early in the morning, I am the only one there.

ranger

[Citroen]

15K OTErg this morning before dawn.

Beautiful cadence now OTErg, 1:48 @ 21 spm (13 SPI).

ranger

Please clarify and check one:

[ ] I rowed 15K OTErg at 1:48, continuously, and the total workout was 54 minutes.
[ ] I rowed 15K OTErg, seeing 1:48 once in a while, and my workout was longer than 54 minutes
[x] Other. please explain: _________________________________________________________

Thanks.

15K OTErg this morning before dawn.

Beautiful cadence now OTErg, 1:48 @ 21 spm (13 SPI).

ranger

That doesn't answer the question, does it. Was your workout close to 54 minutes in duration?






No, didn't think so, probably closer to 1hr 15mins.

[aharmer]

Ben, I love the creativity but he'll never answer you honestly. His lying and evasion are so comical at this point it has nothing to do with real erging. I'm not convinced he even sits on the erg on a regular basis. His full-time pursuit is generating hits on this thread, which he does a wonderful job of.

Now he has to deal with the reality that with every day, Roy is getting stronger and closer to the 60's WR while ranger is lying more and more and generating more hits on his thread. To each his own I guess, I'd probably be spending more time enjoying beautiful Door County than sitting at a computer lying to anonymous people. Mental illness is tough, I hope he can handle the crushing reality of Roy spanking his ass again.

[Steve G]

Somewhat frustrating 10K OTW in my Fluid on the big lake, after 15K OTErg.

Beautiful conditions (clear, calm, warm)--but constant boat waves.

This is the height of the season now in Door County and the boats OTW are multiplying.

Europe Lake might be a better rowing venue now, even if the big lake is calm.

When I row on Europe Lake early in the morning, I am the only one there.

ranger

Isn't it good to have more traffic on the lake, gets you used to steering, looking around etc, just what you need.

Steve

[ranger]

Somewhat frustrating 10K OTW in my Fluid on the big lake, after 15K OTErg.

Beautiful conditions (clear, calm, warm)--but constant boat waves.

This is the height of the season now in Door County and the boats OTW are multiplying.

Europe Lake might be a better rowing venue now, even if the big lake is calm.

When I row on Europe Lake early in the morning, I am the only one there.

ranger

Isn't it good to have more traffic on the lake, gets you used to steering, looking around etc, just what you need.

Steve

The difficulty is not traffic.

The difficulty is waves.

On a big lake, waves from big boats, however distant, can spread out and travel miles.

just the opposite of rowing on a small river, where traffic can be dense and the course twisting but waves sparse and/or fleeting.

No, bouncing around in boat waves is not at all good practice for head racing.

ranger

[ranger]

probably closer to 1hr 15mins.

The time is irrelevant.

That's just work on fitness.

If you are trying to row well, as I am, what is important in training is the effectiveness, efficiency, and consistency of your technique.

Lots of guys are fit.

But the guy with the best stroke wins.

If you are fit and just rowing normally, no matter who you are or how fast you are going, when you get fully used to it, you can do 21 spm for hours and hours with close to a UT2 HR.

At 21 spm, I am in a 5-to-1 ratio.

In rowing, the central question is not: How hard you can work?

The central question is: How well can you row?

Rowing well is a matter of how much work you do--naturally, automatically, normally, easily--in each stroke cycle.

How far you move the boat, how many times you spin the wheel.

Your natural stroking power.

For lightweights, rowing well in 13 SPI.

For heavyweights, rowing well is 16 SPI.

ranger