Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 18th, 2011, 7:04 pm

JimmyL wrote:Just pulling 116 strokes at rate 30 means nothing
Not in a sprint (only 116 strokes) if you pull 7.5 SPI with your normal rowing motion and are only going to rate 30 spm.

That's the point.

Sure, there would be a question of whether I could rate 40 spm for 1K or do the 1:56 for 5K (550 strokes) but 116 strokes @ 30 spm should be no problem at all.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 18th, 2011, 7:42 pm

At some advanced point in your work on technique, rowing is all about what the East Germans back in the 70s called _kernschlag_ and _schubschlag_, catches and finishes.

"The former describes a quick explosion of the legs that carries the body through the drive; the latter a more even application resulting in a firmer finish." _Rowing News_, Volume 18, Issue 05, p. 62.

This past year, I got the former figured out over the winter, when I lengthened the slide, lowered the drag, and loosened my shoulders and core at the catch.

I figured out the latter just recently, when I learned to be faster with my arms while stiffening up my back at the finish. At the finish, this returns your weight to the balls of your feet at the footplate, just as it is at the catch.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ausrwr » June 19th, 2011, 3:54 am

Good to see it's all sorted, Rich.

On the water stroke is "sorted", ergo stroke is "sorted", you're fit.

From this, we will draw the following conclusions: none of the above is true; you row like a drunk pigeon trying to shag a paper aeroplane; and you will never race or post an IND_V time ever again.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 19th, 2011, 5:52 am

Yea.

With my better finishes, I am now consistently hitting 1:48 @ 21 spm (13 SPI) in my low rate rowing.

Nice.

13 SPI is rowing perfectly for a lightweight of any age.

1:48 @ 21 spm is the Level 4 WP pace and rate combination for a 1:34/6:16 2K.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 19th, 2011, 6:04 am

ausrwr wrote:Good to see it's all sorted, Rich.

On the water stroke is "sorted", ergo stroke is "sorted", you're fit.
Thanks.

It's been a long time coming.

I am delighted to see it (finally!) arrive.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ausrwr » June 19th, 2011, 6:07 am

So am I.

But you only say it.

Any demonstration in any way, shape, or form will not happen.
Rich Cureton. 7:02 at BIRC. But "much better than that now". Yeah, right.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 19th, 2011, 6:16 am

ausrwr wrote:But you only say it.
Not at all.

I am doing it, about 20K a day now, working up to 40K a day over the next three months.

There will be plenty of opportunities for demonstration once my race preparation is complete.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » June 19th, 2011, 6:34 am

ranger wrote:
ausrwr wrote:But you only say it.
Not at all.

I am doing it, about 20K a day now, working up to 40K a day over the next three months.

There will be plenty of opportunities for demonstration once my race preparation is complete.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 19th, 2011, 6:36 am

ausrwr wrote:you row like a drunk pigeon
So you say.

But I think this must be taken into consideration, don't you?

For a 60s lwt, pulling 1:48 @ 21 spm (13 SPI) at low UT1 (a FM HR) is so good it's ridiculous.

The difference between the 60s lwts and Open heavyweights is 16.5 seconds per 500m.

So, relative to my competition, my pulling 13 SPI @ 21 spm for a FM would be like an Open heavyweight pulling 22 SPI for a FM.

Yikes.

That's 1:31.5 @ 21 spm (22 SPI).

A FM @ 1:31.5 predicts a 1:17.5 2K.

That's a 5:00 2K--on the button.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by lancs » June 19th, 2011, 8:19 am

ranger wrote:For a 60s lwt, pulling 1:48 @ 21 spm (13 SPI) at low UT1 (a FM HR) is so good it's ridiculous.
Then why can't you make it to 5k @1:48 21spm?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by bellboy » June 19th, 2011, 8:20 am

ranger wrote:
ausrwr wrote:you row like a drunk pigeon
So you say.

But I think this must be taken into consideration, don't you?

For a 60s lwt, pulling 1:48 @ 21 spm (13 SPI) at low UT1 (a FM HR) is so good it's ridiculous.

The difference between the 60s lwts and Open heavyweights is 16.5 seconds per 500m.

So, relative to my competition, my pulling 13 SPI @ 21 spm for a FM would be like an Open heavyweight pulling 22 SPI for a FM.

Yikes.

That's 1:31.5 @ 21 spm (22 SPI).

A FM @ 1:31.5 predicts a 1:17.5 2K.

That's a 5:00 2K--on the button.

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Is it an offence in Michigan to be drunk in charge of a keyboard? Of course im assuming it's alcohol he's imbibing becaue no sober person you would write this? Would they?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 19th, 2011, 8:23 am

Cloudy day, with the promise of rain later, here in Door County, WI.

Nonetheless, however brief, there was a wonderful burst of sun through the clouds around 8 a.m.

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Today, I'll go over to Europe Lake for my OTW session.

Conditions should be good for sculling there.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Citroen » June 19th, 2011, 8:57 am

bellboy wrote: Is it an offence in Michigan to be drunk in charge of a keyboard?
It may be, but since our hero is in Door County, Wisconsin then state law from Michigan is unlikely to apply, your only hope is for it to be Wisconsin state law or a federal offence.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 19th, 2011, 12:22 pm

Given my short little lightweight legs, when I pull 13 SPI, as I do now, just naturally, I hit the top of the PM4 screen, 135 kgF., in the first .2 seconds of the drive.

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Fast legs!

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by bellboy » June 19th, 2011, 12:50 pm

Citroen wrote:
bellboy wrote: Is it an offence in Michigan to be drunk in charge of a keyboard?
It may be, but since our hero is in Door County, Wisconsin then state law from Michigan is unlikely to apply, your only hope is for it to be Wisconsin state law or a federal offence.
I thought his ankle tag precluded any movement between states?

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