Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

You can't measure SPI in a boat

Agreed.

But the artificial guesstimate, using watts on the erg for scalar values, is useful, nonetheless.

Just convert OTW paces to erg watts and divide by the stroke rate.

Then hold the result steady at all rates and paces.

For instance, at 8 SPI OTW, 2:00 @ 25 spm becomes 1:47 @ 35 spm, if you hold your technique steady.

ranger

[Citroen]

You can't measure SPI in a boat

Agreed.

First truth from Ranger all week.

So stop asking about SPI in a boat.

Just convert OTW paces to erg watts and divide by the stroke rate.

Then hold the result steady at all rates and paces.

Cretin. There's too many variables you're ignoring, but don't let that get in the way of Rangermath and Rangerphysics.

[ranger]

I was doing some nice 1:56 @ 30 spm OTW today on the big lake.

I need to try some 1Ks to see if I can hold that 7.5 SPI @ 30 spm steady for 116 strokes.

30 spm is a _very_ controlled rate for a 1K.

At my best, I think I'll rate 36 spm OTW for 1K.

36 spm @ 7.5 SPI is 1:48 pace.

ranger

[JimmyL]

I was doing some nice 1:56 @ 30 spm OTW today on the big lake.

I need to try some 1Ks to see if I can hold that 7.5 SPI @ 30 spm steady for 116 strokes.

30 spm is a _very_ controlled rate for a 1K.

At my best, I think I'll rate 36 spm OTW for 1K.

36 spm @ 7.5 SPI is 1:48 pace.

ranger

I'm sorry if I don't understand your maths here but didn't you say earlier that you'd do a HM at 1:42?
so why can you only do a 1:48 1k?

[ranger]

I'm sorry if I don't understand your maths here but didn't you say earlier that you'd do a HM at 1:42?
so why can you only do a 1:48 1k?

I didn't say I couldn't.

I haven't tried.

I think I'll start with a lot of 1Ks, 1:56 @ 30 spm.

Then, I'll slow raise the rate.

ranger

[ranger]

At 20 seconds per 500m over erg times, 1:56 @ 30 spm is the equivalent of 1:36 @ 30 spm (13.3 SPI) OTErg.

ranger

[ranger]

BTW, OTW today, I ran my HR over 160 bpm for most of the 10K.

That's pretty robust training for a 60s veteran, especially after 12K OTErg.

ranger

[Bob S.]

I'm sorry if I don't understand your maths here but didn't you say earlier that you'd do a HM at 1:42?
so why can you only do a 1:48 1k?

Jimmy,

Note that the HM is for OTE and the 1k is for OTW (in a single). They are not at all comparable. The math of the OTE monitor is based on one of the fours, any one of which is a hell of a lot faster than a single (except for the first few meters).

Bob S.

[ranger]

BTW, what is the best 60s OTW 1K to date?

Does anyone know?

If the 60s HOCR guys can do 2:00 pace for 5K, they should be able to do 1:50 pace for 1K.

ranger

[JimmyL]

I'm sorry if I don't understand your maths here but didn't you say earlier that you'd do a HM at 1:42?
so why can you only do a 1:48 1k?

Jimmy,

Note that the HM is for OTE and the 1k is for OTW (in a single). They are not at all comparable. The math of the OTE monitor is based on one of the fours, any one of which is a hell of a lot faster than a single (except for the first few meters).

Bob S.

Ah I see, so he's talking about real times with the 1K?
I

[Bob S.]

Ah I see, so he's talking about real times with the 1K?
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I can't say that the times are any more real than any of the rest of the stuff that he posts. I was just pointing out that, in this case, he was not making contradictory claims. Bogus, possibly, but not contradictory.

Bob S.

[ranger]

Cretin.

No.

Actually, Dougie, the cretins are those like you, who pull 7 SPI, just half a good stroke, and wouldn't know why if it bit you on the ass.

ranger

[ranger]

Bogus, possibly

You mean my claim that I can probably pull 116 strokes at 30 spm OTW?

Yikes.

I'll be pretty darn surprised if, in the end, I don't pull 5K @ 30 spm OTW.

That 550 strokes.

ranger

[JimmyL]

Bogus, possibly

You mean my claim that I can probably pull 116 strokes at 30 spm OTW?

Yikes.

I'll be pretty darn surprised if, in the end, I don't pull 5K @ 30 spm OTW.

That 550 strokes.

ranger

just pulling 116 strokes at rate 30 means nothing.
shooting up the slide and going slow in the water can give you a rate of 30, yet no power.

[Bob S.]

Bogus, possibly

You mean my claim that I can probably pull 116 strokes at 30 spm OTW?

Yikes.

I'll be pretty darn surprised if, in the end, I don't pull 5K @ 30 spm OTW.

That 550 strokes.

ranger

just pulling 116 strokes at rate 30 means nothing.
shooting up the slide and going slow in the water can give you a rate of 30, yet no power.

Typical Cureton non sequitur. We had been discussing an OTE HM and an OTW 1k and he pops up with a completely different issue.

Bob S.