I have a Dynamic Erg :-)

[Anamchara1104]

Dear Xeno,

I really want to get a dynamic erg, but I don't know which one is the best. When I was still rowing competitively almost 10 years ago, we used to train on C2 Model Cs (sometimes on slides... which I really enjoyed). However, I haven't had the chance to try out a proper dynamic erg yet. When I first started looking into buying an erg in April, it was pretty clear to me that I'd get a C2 Dynamic, but then I read a lot of bad reviews. Most of the issues that came up in those reviews were also discussed in this thread, so I think I have a better idea of the machine's quality now. However, so many reviews praise the Rowperfect Indoor Sculler and I think I remember you saying at one point that you'd buy one if it wasn't that expensive.
Which one would you choose if money wasn't an issue? Money is an issue for me, but there is a rowperfect dealer in Vancouver, close to where I live, so I wouldn't have to pay for shipping and importing the machine. The main thing I am worried about with the C2 Dynamic is that so many people have said that there is a tendency for people to bend the arms and open the back early because there is no pressure on the chain at the catch. I've always had a pretty good technique on the stationary C2s, so I wonder if it's peoples' technique or if it's a construction error. On the other hand, I don't have a lot of space, which makes the C2 Dynamic really attractive.

Thank you! Your help is much appreciated.
Anamchara

[xenotheolympian]

People's technical shortcomings is the problem.

[Nosmo]

People's technical shortcomings is the problem.

Come on Xeno, that is a very non-committal answer.
If you don't want to answer the question just say so.
If you like them all you can say they are all good machines and it is not in your interest to choose one over the other.

[xenotheolympian]

That is my point exactly. No matter what dynamic rowing machine, if the technique is not there, none of the new machines give you the same "connection" as on the static beast.

[Nosmo]

That is my point exactly. No matter what dynamic rowing machine, if the technique is not there, none of the new machines give you the same "connection" as on the static beast.

And my point is you are an expert have an opinion of the relative merits of each machine.

If I ask a car expert on the relative merrits of two cars, he may say something like "this one is a dog don't get it." OR "car A is more fun to drive but breaks downs more," or "this accelerates better but that one is safer" or any number of possibilities. Or even "I have a conflict of interest that prevents me from giving an honest answer"

So I would hope you would say something like one feels more like a single and another more like and 8+, or if the catch is better on one but the finish on another. OR they are all so different from rowing a real boat, that it doesn't matter. Or even, the only significant difference between the three is the foot print and noise level.


We do want to know how the ergs compare and so far you have refused to provide an opinion. So if you have a conflict of interest or don't want to piss anyone off say so, don't pretend you answered a question when you haven't.

[xenotheolympian]

I have compared the machines. That information can found somewhere on here or on my blogs.
I think that your attitude stinks.

[russtanton]

That is my point exactly. No matter what dynamic rowing machine, if the technique is not there, none of the new machines give you the same "connection" as on the static beast.

And my point is you are an expert have an opinion of the relative merits of each machine.

If I ask a car expert on the relative merrits of two cars, he may say something like "this one is a dog don't get it." OR "car A is more fun to drive but breaks downs more," or "this accelerates better but that one is safer" or any number of possibilities. Or even "I have a conflict of interest that prevents me from giving an honest answer"

So I would hope you would say something like one feels more like a single and another more like and 8+, or if the catch is better on one but the finish on another. OR they are all so different from rowing a real boat, that it doesn't matter. Or even, the only significant difference between the three is the foot print and noise level.


We do want to know how the ergs compare and so far you have refused to provide an opinion. So if you have a conflict of interest or don't want to piss anyone off say so, don't pretend you answered a question when you haven't.

from earlier in this string Xeno posted:

"Hi Bob
Feel wise, even though built differently, it is the same to me.
Leveling is not a problem. IMHO even the static C2 feels better when level.
The smallest footprint by far is rowperfect, than C2, and last slider.
The dynamic ergs will change the absolute speed of people rowing on the water.
It is a lot easier to understand the none involvement of the small muscles when rowing efficiently on the dynamic ergs.
Running my workouts using a dynamic set up for Row2go is fun.
X."

I think you have your answer. From a non expert non Olympian, I jumped back and forth between the Row Perfect and C2 dynamic. Other than the slight seat wobble with Row Perfect I could not feel any difference.

Russ

[chgoss]

I have compared the machines. That information can found somewhere on here or on my blogs.
I think that your attitude stinks.

C2 needs a "like" button

Xeno, I want a dynamic erg!

One of these years, I'm going to hit your place when I'm out there for travel.

best
-chad

[xenotheolympian]

Hi Chad,

The C2 dynamic erg is exactly what I expected from the company.

I stopped running indoor rowing workouts when I picked up the technical adviser job with the Mexican national team. One simple paid more than the other for the amount of time put in. My workouts are available on an online rowing library at row2go.com.

The dynamic feature of a rowing machine was highly needed, because the static machines, for aggressive users, was a ticking time bomb in lower backs (not for all).

A dynamic set up is far less likely to put the lower back under the same stress.