Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » May 30th, 2011, 6:09 am

bellboy wrote:you seem to have neglected the most important skill
No, looking over your shoulder frequently is not the most important skill in rowing OTW.

In fact, relative to other matters, it is so insignificant that it is almost entirely irrelevant.

That's why I haven't paid any attention to it.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » May 30th, 2011, 6:18 am

BTW, my weight is getting very good.

If I get to a daily 20K OTErg followed by 20K OTW, given this much work, I might make weight this summer, just naturally, with no change in my diet.

That will also help both my erging and OTW rowing.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » May 30th, 2011, 6:31 am

First things first, though.

So all talk of other things aside.

My first task is a FM trial.

That FM trial will set the stage--and predict the outcome of everything else up to the fait accompli 2K.

For someone like me, a FM is a great 2K predictor, as Matthias has just demonstrated by setting the Open lwt FM WR and 40s lwt 2K WR--simultaneously.

A FM is done at 2K + 14.

So, Matthias' 1:47 for a FM predicts 1:33 for 2K.

Well, he didn't do quite that (so far), but he did 1:34.

Close enough.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » May 30th, 2011, 6:46 am

So, Roland.

Now that you are 50, are you going to break Ripley's long-standing 50s hwt 2K WR.

If not, why not?

Bad catch timing?

:D :D

That's O.K.

I am sure that things will come along soon if you keep working on them.

It has certainly taken quite a while, but they have come around for me.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Citroen » May 30th, 2011, 8:04 am

ranger wrote:I use a stroke coach, Roland.

I see 2:10 @ 23 spm--10 MPS.

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Have you calibrated it?




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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by macroth » May 30th, 2011, 8:14 am

ranger wrote:When I pull something like 1:42 @ 26 spm for 60min pretty soon
What are the odds that you'll pull something like 1:42 @ 26 spm for 2k "pretty soon"? Pretty slim.
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40+ PBs: 100m 14.7 | 500m 1:20.5 | 1k 2:59.6 | 2k 6:21.9 | 5k 17:29.6 | HM 1:19:33.1| FM 2:51:58.5 | 100k 7:35:09 | 24h 250,706m

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by bellboy » May 30th, 2011, 8:46 am

ranger wrote:
bellboy wrote:you seem to have neglected the most important skill
No, looking over your shoulder frequently is not the most important skill in rowing OTW.

In fact, relative to other matters, it is so insignificant that it is almost entirely irrelevant.

That's why I haven't paid any attention to it.

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Try telling that to the members of the crew that nearly drowned because of your blithering ineptitude.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » May 30th, 2011, 9:17 am

bellboy wrote:Try telling that to the members of the crew that nearly drowned because of your blithering ineptitude.
What crew nearly drowned?

I got wet, not them.

Nothing happened to them at all.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » May 30th, 2011, 9:19 am

Nice 6K OTW after 20K OTErg.

My catches OTW continue to get better and better.

Again, I even took a few good strokes out there at that mythical 8 SPI (2:02 @ 24 spm) rather than my more modest 7 SPI (2:08 @ 24 spm).

Gorgeous Memorial Day here in Ann Arbor.

OTW rowing conditions were perfect this morning--calm, warm, clear.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by leadville » May 30th, 2011, 9:57 am

ranger wrote:Nice 6K OTW after 20K OTErg.

My catches OTW continue to get better and better.

Again, I even took a few good strokes out there at that mythical 8 SPI (2:02 @ 24 spm) rather than my more modest 7 SPI (2:08 @ 24 spm).

Gorgeous Memorial Day here in Ann Arbor.

OTW rowing conditions were perfect this morning--calm, warm, clear.

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nowhere close to the 20k you've been blathering about, rangerboy.

so, answer my question - are you racing at master's nationals this year in OKC? As you're so unbelievably fit and technically adept and oh so light, you MUST be racing in the D LW 1x. I certainly hope so, as I really want to observe your technique during the race. Of course, I'll have to be looking over my shoulder as you'll undoubtedly be WAAAAAY ahead of me...
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Byron Drachman » May 30th, 2011, 1:00 pm

Our intrepid hero, with a steady confidence in his ability to analyze the finer, most subtle points of sculling, will surely know the answer to my question. In a recent interview Xeno Muller said that although Synek is doing very well these days, he has a flaw in his sculling and he could be going much faster. So my question is this: What is the flaw?

http://www.universalsports.com/video/as ... m1x+munich

And speaking of flaws, what is Thiele's flaw?

http://www.universalsports.com/video/as ... w1x+munich

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by leadville » May 30th, 2011, 1:11 pm

Byron Drachman wrote:Our intrepid hero, with a steady confidence in his ability to analyze the finer, most subtle points of sculling, will surely know the answer to my question. In a recent interview Xeno Muller said that although Synek is doing very well these days, he has a flaw in his sculling and he could be going much faster. So my question is this: What is the flaw?

http://www.universalsports.com/video/as ... m1x+munich

And speaking of flaws, what is Thiele's flaw?

http://www.universalsports.com/video/as ... w1x+munich
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » May 30th, 2011, 1:27 pm

Rockin Roland wrote:The reason why you see 36 spm OTW is because your rowing very short.
In a 1K?

Not sure about that at all.

Good catches just make me faster.

I get more out of each stroke.

Good catches don't lower the rate.

OTW, even big heavyweights such as Xeno can rate 38 spm in a 2K.

The sprinting distance for a 60s rower is only 1K.

145 strokes?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » May 30th, 2011, 2:45 pm

Morning weather conditions in Ann Arbor are supposed to be perfect for the next week.

Perhaps it's time to go out to Portage Lake and try some repeat 2Ks @ 28 spm--at dawn.

Portage Lake doesn't open for business until 8 a.m., orders of the Michigan DNR.

I'll be done by then.

212 strokes?

If I hold my technique together, these 2Ks should come out at 2:00 pace.

Portage Lake has 2K of straight open water.

http://www.ms-pyc.com/image/lake_1.jpg

For me, repeat 2Ks, 2:00 @ 28 spm, OTW, are the equivalent of repeat 2Ks, 1:40 @ 28 spm, OTErg.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Byron Drachman » May 30th, 2011, 2:45 pm

ranger wrote:
Rockin Roland wrote:The reason why you see 36 spm OTW is because your rowing very short.
In a 1K?

Not sure about that at all.

Good catches just make me faster.

I get more out of each stroke.

Good catches don't lower the rate.

OTW, even big heavyweights such as Xeno can rate 38 spm in a 2K.

The sprinting distance for a 60s rower is only 1K.

145 strokes?

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Hi Roland,

Our intrepid hero obviously does not know what rowing short means.

Byron

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