Ranger's training thread

[Citroen]

the 60s hwt FM WR is 1:54 pace.

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Wretched stuff.

And yet you, the greatest erger of our lifetime, could row nowhere near this pace for a FM (and I mean as a 60's hwt, ie right now, not 8 years ago)

A bit odd to call this 'wretched stuff'?

We'll soon see.

Please define "soon".

Is that soon as in three hours from now?
Is that soon as in three days from now?
Is that soon as in three weeks from now?
Is that soon as in three months from now?
Is that soon as in three years from now?
Is that soon as in three decades from now?
Or (more likely) is that soon as in three centuries from now?

Some of us would prefer the first (three hour) definition then you can stop bleating about a FM @ 1:46 (that you'll never do) and move on to a HM @ 1:43 (that you'll also never do) [Note: I applied Paul's "Law" (half d minus 3) to your virtual PB for the FM to get a vPB of 1:43 for the HM.]

It'll take you less than three hours to row that FM, so go away and do it. BTW, don't bother coming back and posting until it's done and you're the new virtual 60+HWT record holder.

[PaulH]

there is nothing to be said about it until I try.

So the talk is beside the point.

If only.

[ranger]

Nice 6K OTW after erging.

Yep.

I am now doing the same things OTErg and OTW.

1:46 @ 24 spm OTErg; 2:06 @ 24 spm OTW.

Middlin' UT1 HR (155 bpm).

OTW, I raised the rate to 27-29 spm a couple of times and pushed my HR to 170 bpm.

That's top end UT1.

My better technical work OTErg has helped my OTW rowing _enormously_.

OTW, I was rushing the catch, just as I used to do OTErg, and was therefore missing it with my legs.

No longer.

OTW, I am also getting the hang of some of the different angles of leverage.

2:06 @ 24 spm is right at 10 MPS.

Elegant business.

The 20 seconds per 500m gap between my rowing OTW and OTErg is not _too_ bad.

The best rowers get a gap of about 15 seconds per 500m.

So, OTW, I still can get about five seconds per 500m better.

I think some of this might some from futzing with the rigging.

I have too much inboard at the moment.

The rest will come from length, angles of leverage, and quickness on my recoveries.

Yea.

Mike VB is right.

If you are quick out of your finishes and like lightnight back into the stern, the Fluid really flies.

I keep working on it.

I got to 2:01 @ 25 spm on a few strokes.

So, I occasionally get it right, but not very often yet.

2:00 @ 25 spm (10 MPS) is probably the limit of my potential, technically.

That's 8 SPI.

ranger

[ranger]

Wow.

When it is done well, rowing is one of the most athletic things imaginable.

Gymnastics and golf/tennis/baseball, while swimming, running, and weight lifting--all at the same time.

ranger

[ranger]

Please define "soon".

No need to subject the task to clock-time schedules.

But relative to my competition, I would say long before any other veteran gets to step 2, much less step 3, where I am now.

Besides me, no veteran has ever rowed well, much less efficiently, at low drag.

And unless veterans with the most potential for rowing alter--radically--the way they live and train for rowing, none besides me ever will.

ranger

[PaulH]

He's quoting from a different thread, which is confusing, but he's attributing it (broadly) correctly.

Sure.

But it's not my choice.

I am not allowed to comment on any other thread.

ranger

Really? Can you give an example of when you've been prevented?

Nothing?

[macroth]

Nothing?

Give the old drunkard a break. Half the time he doesn't know on what planet he is, let alone which forum or thread.

Wow.

When it is done well, rowing is one of the most athletic things imaginable.

Gymnastics and golf/tennis/baseball, while swimming, running, and weight lifting--all at the same time.

ranger

That's a long list of things you're no good at. Maybe that's why you still row like shit after nearly a decade?

like lightnight back into the stern

Absolutely! Throw yourself back onto that foot plate, that's the key to boat speed.

[whp4]

the 60s hwt FM WR is 1:54 pace.

<snip>

Wretched stuff.

And yet you, the greatest erger of our lifetime, could row nowhere near this pace for a FM (and I mean as a 60's hwt, ie right now, not 8 years ago)

A bit odd to call this 'wretched stuff'?

We'll soon see.

My target for a FM is 1:46 @ 24 spm, so that's what I am doing a lot of now.

I can't/don't pull any less than 12 SPI for my distance rowing, so I would have to max out at 19.5 spm for 42K to pull 1:54.

Yet oddly enough, you manage to pull less than 12 SPI just fine in your shorter stuff, as you demonstrated in your last public paddling You can only row badly for short stretches, is that it?

[ranger]

You can only row badly for short stretches, is that it?

My 2Ks will come along in due course.

At BIRC 2011, I didn't get my weight right.

So I had no energy.

If I had had some energy, I would have pulled 6:30.

But back in November of 2011, I was also rowing at high drag; and so without proper length, catches, and ratios; and with no distance rowing or sharpening as race preparation.

With those added in, I'll pull 6:16.

Again:

No need to wait until I do a 2K to demonstrate what I will be capable of when I get there.

All distance and sprint trials, and all standard sharpening workouts, in addition to things like 30'r20, are good 2K predictors.

I'll be doing all of these things long before I will be racing a 2K, rowing well at low drag, fully prepared.

My first race will be a FM, 1:46 @ 24 spm (12 SPI), 120 df., 4-to-1 ratio.

That will be under Matthias' Open lwt FM WR.

A FM @ 1:46 predicts a 1:32/6:08 2K.

A FM is done at 2K + 14.

ranger

[Citroen]

Please define "soon".

No need to subject the task to clock-time schedules.

So we'll add the word "soon" to the list that includes "1:44", "6:16", "SPI", "if" and "when" as part of the Rangernoise vocabulary that defines all the meaningless words that you're going to use. So the normal folks can ignore the word "soon" when quoting your drivel without fear of a penalty from PaulH.

[PaulH]

You can only row badly for short stretches, is that it?

How unfortunate, that's actually a quote from whp4. Normally I'd give you a warning, but so soon after having been banned for a week this can only be deliberate. See you in a week if you choose to return, as I hope you will.

[Byron Drachman]

like lightnight back into the stern

Absolutely! Throw yourself back onto that foot plate, that's the key to boat speed.

You beat me to it. I was going to say something like that, although I am not sure of the meaning of lightnight, but I assume it means quickly.

[eliotsmith]

You can only row badly for short stretches, is that it?

How unfortunate, that's actually a quote from whp4. Normally I'd give you a warning, but so soon after having been banned for a week this can only be deliberate. See you in a week if you choose to return, as I hope you will.

This is all very strange and exciting. Ranger has become like the caged wild beast at the circus, only occasionally displayed but often talked about by the spectators. I eagerly await the sequel.

Eliot

[Citroen]

The UK forum cage expires some time before 8:42 pm BST, Saturday, May 21, 2011.
So I suspect our favourite troll will be back there from Saturday until next Wednesday.

I wonder why he doesn't visit http://wordpress.com and create a normal internet blog where he can be chief author, chief admin and chief moderator. He'll be able to refer to all his correspondents as much as he likes, he'll be able to mis-attribute quotes as much as he likes and the drivel spouting won't be here or on http://concept2.co.uk/forum.

[Bob S.]

This is all very strange and exciting. Ranger has become like the caged wild beast at the circus, only occasionally displayed but often talked about by the spectators. I eagerly await the sequel.

Eliot

This has been the case for many years now. He has been on virtual display all along and the spectators, i.e. the responding forumites, have been poking at him with sticks all this time, with him snarling back.