Ranger's training thread

[PaulH]

Naw. Paddled that one in.

No you didn't. The timings from the row are public record, and everyone can see that you didn't 'paddle it in'. Why lie about something when it's so obviously a lie?

Paul, bad rows have no bearing on anything.

I didn't claim otherwise. You said that you paddled in your latest BIRC performance. I pointed out that, as a matter of public record, you didn't. So, why would you lie about it?

[ben990]

Naw. I beg to differ.

Sure, but what motivates your differing is just ill will, not anything about rowing.

That's fine, though.

There are assholes like you all over the internet.

It is just odd that you want to be known as one of them.

ranger

ranger,

Do you think that you are an asshole on the internet? Please check one:

[ ] Yes
[ ] No

[Fred]

You weren't able to beat Roy's WR.

My goal hasn't been to row 6:38.
My goal is to row 6:16.

Whatever your "goal" is, and whatever you think of the nobility of it, the results from last 3 years 6:41, 6:41, 7:02 indicate that you are getting further and further from it.

I rowed 6:29.7 when I was 55, without even preparing for it.
ranger

You are saying: "I was unable to erg a 2:31 FM(1:48 average pace), or do a 8x500m at 1:31 at the time, so that means I wasn't prepared".

Results follow training, not the other way around. You use the word "prepared" in a way unlike anyone else on the planet. Your definition of the word "prepared" means you can do timed pieces associated with someone that can do a 6:16 2k.

Expanded out it simply means: "The reason I was so far off my goal, is I wasn't capable of going that fast".

[jliddil]

http://forums.philosophyforums.com/thre ... 39495.html
"The insane don't know that they are insane. I think a few people are perceiving how they would react when the only thing that wasn't functioning correctly is there ability to construct a reality congruent to the external world. However a break from reality is usually a total one which includes our reasoning capabilities such as pattern recognition. Usually it's the break from rational thinking that is a precursor for the hallucinations in the first place so I think that most of time people have no way in which to judge."

[Brunsie]

In light of their unfailing loyalty to you, don't you feel obligated to prove to them all their years of work were not in vain and you are indeed right

So, what do you think I am doing?

You write this as though your post were some sort of epitaph, with my project done, and the results a failure.

Why?

I haven't even done one distance trial yet, much less sharpened and raced.

Sure, if I do all of my distance trials (and then sharpening routines), and they all come out consistently 10 seconds per 500m above my targets, then I have been wrong.

But I am not wrong before the evidence is in.

Or do you think I am?

Given what I pulled for a FM 10 years ago, when I was rowing badly (10 SPI) at max drag (200+ df.), the prediction is that my distance trials will be this:

FM 1:58
HM 1:55
60min 1:54
10K 1:52
30min 1:51
6K 1:50
5K 1:49

These distance times predict the 60s lwt 2K American record, 6:56, right around what Mike VB pulled this year.

My sharpening routines should be this:

8 x 500m (3:30 rest) 1:41
4 x 1K 1:44
4 x 2K 1:48
1K 1:40
500m 1:34

30'r20 1:56

ranger

But you keep claiming that your current ability is better than anything that has ever been done, you could give us the proof right now, you pick the distance, any distance will do. You pretty much claim your warmup is better than WR pace. We would all understand you could still do better after fully preparing but how many years do we need to wait? Your claim for years has been that you could set all the records already, you just want to "sharpen" before you race. I know if you "sharpen" most things too long they end up dull again or worse yet you sharpen them away to nothing. I have only been watching this thread for the last 4 months, anxiously awaiting the proof that seemed to be right around the corner for that entire four months, I can only imagine how hard this is for the supporter that waits year after year after year. If you had said in the beginning "check back in 2012 & we will see how it works out" that would be one thing but instead you constantly move the date another month out.

In light of failure to do as promised probably in the hundreds of times it does appear you have failed. Maybe that is why I wrote it as though it was some kind of epitaph.

I really do want to see you do what you claim, I just don't want to wait years to see it. As I stated I am new to all this and if what you say is true I want to spend my time "learning to row well" not like everyone else has already done it. So please throw me a bone, you don't have to beat the WR at whatever piece you choose by 10% which is about what you claim you will do, just beat it by any amount and I will believe you.

[jliddil]

I really do want to see you do what you claim, I just don't want to wait years to see it

[ranger]

Whatever your "goal" is, and whatever you think of the nobility of it, the results from last 3 years 6:41, 6:41, 7:02 indicate that you are getting further and further from it.

Not if your technique, the focus of your training, is not yet in place.

Not if you are rowing at max drag.

Not if you have done no distance rowing or distance trials.

Not if you have done no anaerobic sharpening.

ranger

[ranger]

But you keep claiming that your current ability is better than anything that has ever been done

Sure.

Your rowing is a product of your technique (your effectiveness and efficiency when rowing) and your fitness.

Compared to how I rowed ten years ago when I rowed badly (10 SPI) at max drag (200+ df.), my technique is infinitely better.

I now row well (13 SPI at minimal drag (95 df.).

My fitness is about the same, or perhaps with a decline of a second or so per 500m.

Rowing well at low drag, soon, I'll pull a FM at 1:48; a HM, at 1:45.

My FM pb, from ten years ago, is 1:54; my HM pb, from ten years ago, is 1:49.

ranger

[hjs]

But you keep claiming that your current ability is better than anything that has ever been done

Sure.

Your rowing is a product of your technique (your effectiveness and efficiency when rowing) and your fitness.

My technique is _infinitely_ better.

My fitness is about the same.

ranger

In sports better is simply faster, further or higher. You only slow down so you are worse..............

every year

[Brunsie]

But you keep claiming that your current ability is better than anything that has ever been done

Sure.

Your rowing is a product of your technique (your effectiveness and efficiency when rowing) and your fitness.

Compared to how I rowed ten years ago when I rowed badly (10 SPI) at max drag (200+ df.), my technique is infinitely better.

I now row well (13 SPI at minimal drag (95 df.).

My fitness is about the same, or perhaps with a decline of a second or so per 500m.

Rowing well at low drag, soon, I'll pull a FM at 1:48; a HM, at 1:45.

My FM pb, from ten years ago, is 1:54; my HM pb, from ten years ago, is 1:49.

ranger

Alright then you are there, go do it and stop talking about it. I have patiently waiting for 4 months with never ending promises. Time to stop talking and start doing.

By your own admission you now row well and your fitness is about the same, it is in the bag at this time so just get it done (we know with a "little more sharpening" you will be even better, but at this point it is still going to be real exciting to see what you do at this point, even though your are not "fully sharpened"). You pick whatever distance you want and show us. I am excited to start learning your technique now that I will know that it is in fact revolutionary. Thanks for all your hard work in establishing this fantastic new technique.

[jliddil]

Dream on

[PaulH]

Whatever your "goal" is, and whatever you think of the nobility of it, the results from last 3 years 6:41, 6:41, 7:02 indicate that you are getting further and further from it.

Not if your technique, the focus of your training, is not yet in place.

Not if you are rowing at max drag.

Not if you have done no distance rowing or distance trials.

Not if you have done no anaerobic sharpening.

ranger

Interesting - so your training method is the only one in the whole of sports that makes you worse and worse the longer you do it (for years), until all of a sudden it makes you the best ever. And you know this despite the fact that you've never demonstrated it, nor has it ever been demonstrated in any other sport.

Anyway, why did you lie about 'paddling it in' for your latest BIRC appearance?

[Fred]

Whatever your "goal" is, and whatever you think of the nobility of it, the results from last 3 years 6:41, 6:41, 7:02 indicate that you are getting further and further from it.

Not if your technique, the focus of your training, is not yet in place. Not if you are rowing at max drag. Not if you have done no distance rowing or distance trials. Not if you have done no anaerobic sharpening.

Your response had nothing to do with my statement. I stated that your results are getting farther from your stated "goal" of 6:16.

You respond with "Over the past three years, I have been unable to erg a 2:31 FM(1:48 average pace), or do a 8x500m at 1:31, which means I haven't been prepared, which is why my results have been so far off my goal".

Which is precisely the "say nothing" logic I pointed out earlier. "The reason I haven't been fast, is that I have been slow".

[Fred]

Interesting - so your training method is the only one in the whole of sports that makes you worse and worse the longer you do it (for years), until all of a sudden it makes you the best ever. And you know this despite the fact that you've never demonstrated it, nor has it ever been demonstrated in any other sport.

Exactly

what magical "technique" (not an improvement in fitness dont forget) event are you expecting to occur that will transform you from a 7:02 to a 6:16 erger.

Do you have any idea at all the vast gulf between being a 7min erger, and a 6:16 erger is?

[ranger]

Alright then you are there, go do it and stop talking about it.

Talk has nothing to do with rowing.

You can talk about your rowing all you want.

The talk won't make you better or worse OTErg.

The talk is just social chit-chat, social networking.

It's fun.

I am not just talking.

I am doing it every day.

I'm not sure what your assumptions are.

Do you assume that habituating to a radically new technique is instantaneous?

Do you assume that race preparation is instantaneous?

Do you assume that training for and racing all of the events other than 2K is instantaneous?

Do you assume that sharpening to race is instantaneous?

Do you assume that training for rowing is just race preparation?

Do you assume...

If so, you know nothing about rowing, or have no ambition that even makes contact with the basic issues involved in rowing a WR 2K.

ranger