Ranger's training thread

[whp4]

Naw.

It's not at all the best strategy to skip training altogether in order demonstrate, repeatedly, how bad you are.

Yet you've posted numerous videos doing just that!

[ranger]

Naw.

It's not at all the best strategy to skip training altogether in order demonstrate, repeatedly, how bad you are.

Yet you've posted numerous videos doing just that!

As a 60s lwt, if pulling 11.5 SPI @ 95 df., as I am doing now, is bad, then what other folks are doing, including the best of the rest, is beyond the pale.

The 60s lwt FM WR is 2:00/2:48.

At base rate, 27 spm, that's using a stroke that is 55% weaker.

Wretched stuff.

On the other hand, give or take a bit, pulling 1;44 @ 27 spm in my distance rowing, as I am now, is as good as any lightweight of any age--bar none--

the great Danish lightweights (Stephansen, Ebbesen, etc.) included.

Delighted with that.

Eskild was born right about when I graduated from college.

I could be his father.

ranger

[ranger]

Wow.

Rowing at 95 df., when I _really_ get warmed up, I get better and better compression at the catch.

I glanced down at the rail today, and, dang, the smudge spot from the front wheels on my seat was only four inches or so from front stops.

When I put the front wheels of my seat on the smudge spot, the front edge of my seat was even with the bottom of my foot stretchers.

Great length.

At 95 df., how much power I get in my stroke now depends crucially on length and leg quickness, given the light resistance.

In my FM training, when I get this sort of maximal compression, I do 1:45 @ 25 spm (12 SPI) rather than 1:48 @ 25 spm (11 SPI).

1:45 @ 25 spm (12 SPI) for FM rowing!

wow.

That's great stuff.

All I need to do is keep doing it--for the rest of my life.

For a 60s lwt, this is _great_ "base pace" training.

2:00 @ 25 spm is 10 MPS.

1:45 @ 25 spm is 11.6 MPS.

This means that, in a FM, rowing next to someone pulling 2:00 @ 25 spm, I would gain five feet every stroke, a boat length every 5 strokes, 700 boat lengths in the FM as a whole, over three miles in all.

That's a lot.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Eskild was born right about when I graduated from college.

I could be his father.

I hope Elskid's mother never catches wind of your assertions.... The psychological implications of thoughts like these are deeply disturbing.

[ranger]

From now on, no need to row at low rates (LTR, "Learn to Row")--ever.

I am entirely comfortable at 25 spm.

I suspect I will do the same in my training OTW.

25 spm is a great rate.

Not high.

Not low.

Middlin'.

UT1 HR

ranger

[KevJGK]

2:00 @ 25 spm is 10 MPS.

1:45 @ 25 spm is 11.6 MPS.

This means that, in a FM, rowing next to someone pulling 2:00 @ 25 spm, I would gain five feet every stroke, a boat length every 5 strokes, 700 boat lengths in the FM as a whole, over three miles in all.

That doesn't work if you keep taking breaks.

Did you ever read - The Tortoise & The Hare?

Once upon a time there was a hare who, boasting how he could run faster than anyone else, was forever teasing tortoise for its slowness. Then one day, the irate tortoise answered back: “Who do you think you are? There’s no denying you’re swift, but even you can be beaten!” The hare squealed with laughter.

[ranger]

That doesn't work if you keep taking breaks.

No reason to take breaks at 25 spm in a 4-to-1 ratio with a HR of 155 bpm/75% HRR.

I am just stroking naturally.

If you are just stroking naturally, there is no reason to rate less than 25 spm.

No one needs to row in a ratio that is larger than 4-to-1.

75% HRR is a FM HR.

I can do it for hours and hours.

I just keep working on the mechanics of the stroke, getting habituated to the timing, sequencing, length, ratio, etc.

I have only been rowing at 95 df. for a couple of months.

I rowed at max drag for ten years.

ranger

[ranger]

even you can be beaten!

If I pull a FM @ 1:48?

Can't really relate to that, I guess.

The 60s lwt FM WR is 2:00 pace.

The 60s hwt FM WR is 1:54 pace.

So that's my competition.

Happy to see someone do better, but it hasn't happened yet.

The gaps in quality between FMs at 1:48, 1:54, and 2:00 are _huge_.

Six seconds per 500m is more than a whole training band.

Twelve seconds per 500m is more than two training bands.

For 60s lwts, 1:48 is AT (or beyond), not UT2.

ranger

[ranger]

Did you ever read - The Tortoise & The Hare?

Sure.

But as far as rowing goes, the allegory doesn't have any relation to racing.

It has to do with training.

Those tortoises who take time with their training, patiently working on their weaknesses until they overcome them, end up in a much better place than those impatient hares that race, and race, and race, avoiding the training that could make them better.

ranger

[atklein90]

even you can be beaten!

If I pull a FM @ 1:48?

Can't really relate to that, I guess.

The 60s lwt FM WR is 2:00 pace.

The 60s hwt FM WR is 1:54 pace.

So that's my competition.

Happy to see someone do better, but it hasn't happened yet.

The gaps in quality between FMs at 1:48, 1:54, and 2:00 are _huge_.

Six seconds per 500m is more than a whole training band.

Twelve seconds per 500m is more than two training bands.

For 60s lwts, 1:48 is AT (or beyond), not UT2.

ranger

You can't come anywhere near 1:48 for a FM!

You are completely pathetic. How far did you row this morning? How long did it take?

[ranger]

The major problem with the Wolverine Plan, I think, is that it subordinates your attempts to overcome your inability to row well to your inability to row a fast 2K because of your inability to row row well.

IMO, for all rowers of a certain weight and gender, rowing well is a constant (13 SPI for male lightweights; 16 SPI for heavyweights). It doesn't have anything to do with your present 2K.

Rowing well comes from developing good quickness, length, timing, sequencing, footwork, leverage, balance, rhythmicity, preparation, etc.

This doesn't have anything to do with physiological things, such as your aerobic capacity, anaerobic capacity, etc., which are so crucial to your 2K score.

Adjusting your work on technique to your 2K score is a bit like working on free throws in basketball by training with a rim that is four feet wide.

Since you usually miss the basket by a couple of feet each time you shoot, it gives you more confidence when you are training if you just expand the rim so that you make more shots, even if you still can't shoot worth a damn.



Adjusting your work on technique to your 2K score is like social promotion in education.

If you are _really_ bad to begin with, you should get a 'A' even if you are bad in the end.

Hey!

You tried.

That's all anyone can ask.

ranger

[bellboy]

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO THE THE FM THAT YOU PROMISED YOU WOULD DO AT THE END OF APRIL?

[ranger]

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO THE THE FM THAT YOU PROMISED YOU WOULD DO AT THE END OF APRIL?

I am just rowing at 25-27 spm, day after day.

4-to-1 ratio, UT1 HR

Hey.

Given that I am a 60s lwt pulling 11-13 SPI at 95 df., how can I lose training like this?

No need to worry about schedules.

What happens, happens.

ranger

[nysaag]

bellboy wrote:
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO THE THE FM THAT YOU PROMISED YOU WOULD DO AT THE END OF APRIL?

ranger replied:
I am just rowing at 25-27 spm, day after day.
4-to-1 ratio, UT1 HR
Hey.
Given that I am a 60s lwt pulling 11-13 SPI at 95 df., how can I lose training like this?
No need to worry about schedules.
What happens, happens.

TRANSLATION: NEVER

[ben990]

A man died and went to Heaven. As he stood in front of the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him. He asked, "What are all those clocks?"

St. Peter answered, "Those are Lie-Clocks. Everyone on earth has a Lie-Clock. Every time you lie, the hands on your clock move."

"Oh", said the man. "Whose clock is that?"

"That's Mother Teresa's," replied St. Peter. "The hands have never moved, indicating that she never told a lie."

"Incredible," said the man. "And whose clock is that one?"

St. Peter responded, "That's Abraham Lincoln's clock. The hands have moved twice, telling us that Abraham told only two lies in his entire life."

"Where's Ranger's clock?" asked the man.

"Ranger's clock is in Jesus' office. He's using it as a ceiling fan."