Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » May 1st, 2011, 12:41 pm

It's much better to train, long and hard, confronting your personal demons in all their hellishness, for as long as it takes, and only when those personal demons are finally held at bay, and slayed, show up and race in order to demonstrate how good you have become.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » May 1st, 2011, 12:44 pm

:D :D

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » May 1st, 2011, 1:08 pm

Build soil!

Build soil!

To market 'tis our destiny to go.
But much as in the end we bring for sale there
There is still more we never bring or should bring;
More that should be kept back--the soil for instance
In my my opinion,--though we both know poets
Who fall all over each other to bring soil
And even subsoil and hardpan to market.
To sell the hay off, let alone the soil,
Is an unpardonable sin in farming.
The moral is, make a late start to market...
Let none assume to till the land but farmers.
I only speak to you as one of them.
You shall go to your run-out mountain farm,
Poor castaway of commerce, and so live
That none shall ever see you come to market--
Not for a long long time. Plant, breed, produce,
But what you raise and grow, why feed it out,
Eat it or plow it under where it stands
To build the soil. For what is more accursed
Than an impoverished soil pale and metallic?
What cries more to our kind for sympathy?...
Build soil. Turn the farm in upon itself
Until it can contain itself no more,
But sweating-full, drips wine and oil...
I will go to my run-out social mind
And be as unsocial with it as I can.
The thought I have, and my first impulse is
To take to market--I will turn it under.
The thought from that thought--I will turn it under.
And so on to the limit of my nature.
We are too much out, and if we won't draw in
We shall be driven in...
I bid you unto a one-man revolution--
The only revolution that is coming.
We're too unseparate out among each other--
With goods to sell and notions to impart...
We congregate embracing from distrust
As much as love, and too close in to strike
And be so very striking. Steal away
The song says. Steal away and stay away.
Don't join too many gangs...
We're too unseparate. And going home
From company means coming to our senses.

--Robert Frost
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by bellboy » May 1st, 2011, 1:30 pm

ranger wrote:Build soil!

Build soil!

To market 'tis our destiny to go.
But much as in the end we bring for sale there
There is still more we never bring or should bring;
More that should be kept back--the soil for instance
In my my opinion,--though we both know poets
Who fall all over each other to bring soil
And even subsoil and hardpan to market.
To sell the hay off, let alone the soil,
Is an unpardonable sin in farming.
The moral is, make a late start to market...
Let none assume to till the land but farmers.
I only speak to you as one of them.
You shall go to your run-out mountain farm,
Poor castaway of commerce, and so live
That none shall ever see you come to market--
Not for a long long time. Plant, breed, produce,
But what you raise and grow, why feed it out,
Eat it or plow it under where it stands
To build the soil. For what is more accursed
Than an impoverished soil pale and metallic?
What cries more to our kind for sympathy?...
Build soil. Turn the farm in upon itself
Until it can contain itself no more,
But sweating-full, drips wine and oil...
I will go to my run-out social mind
And be as unsocial with it as I can.
The thought I have, and my first impulse is
To take to market--I will turn it under.
The thought from that thought--I will turn it under.
And so on to the limit of my nature.
We are too much out, and if we won't draw in
We shall be driven in...
I bid you unto a one-man revolution--
The only revolution that is coming.
We're too unseparate out among each other--
With goods to sell and notions to impart...
We congregate embracing from distrust
As much as love, and too close in to strike
And be so very striking. Steal away
The song says. Steal away and stay away.
Don't join too many gangs...
We're too unseparate. And going home
From company means coming to our senses.

--Robert Frost
Ah Mr Frost. It's been awhile. The last time we saw you make an appearence was when Von ManBatt chickened out of his last attempt at anything meaningfull. Twas ever thus.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Gus » May 1st, 2011, 1:57 pm

Just out of curiosity, did anybody think ranger would post any of the pieces he said he'd do by May 1st? I think he might have tried some of them, but found he was no where near what he claimed he could do and gave up without finishing them.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » May 1st, 2011, 2:05 pm

Gus wrote:Just out of curiosity, did anybody think ranger would post any of the pieces he said he'd do by May 1st? I think he might have tried some of them, but found he was no where near what he claimed he could do and gave up without finishing them.
As I mentioned, I have been rowing 1:44 @ 27 spm, well below my target pace and race, 1:48 @ 25 spm.

So, my race preparation is coming along beautifully.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by PaulH » May 1st, 2011, 2:09 pm

ranger wrote:As a little lightweight, with short little lightweight legs, the amazing thing about rowing at 95 df. and a pretty high stroking power (e.g., 11-13 SPI) is the short drive time and therefore high ratio.
What an odd thing to say, when you've *never* rowed at 95 df and 11-13 SPI as a lightweight.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by snowleopard » May 1st, 2011, 2:34 pm

ranger wrote:
Gus wrote:Just out of curiosity, did anybody think ranger would post any of the pieces he said he'd do by May 1st? I think he might have tried some of them, but found he was no where near what he claimed he could do and gave up without finishing them.
As I mentioned, I have been rowing 1:44 @ 27 spm, well below my target pace and race, 1:48 @ 25 spm.

So, my race preparation is coming along beautifully.
So, your target race pace is 1:44? Makes sense if you are trying to break 7:00.

(There are no FM races, Dufus.)

BTW, I have been rowing at 1:29 @ 36 spm, well below my target pace and race[sic], 1:35 @ 34 spm. I'm cock-a-hoop because that means I'm on for a sub 6:00. Wowzer!

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » May 1st, 2011, 3:02 pm

snowleopard wrote:So, your target race pace is 1:44?
Sure.

Like Matthias, 27 spm seems to be FM rate for me.

75% HRR, 155 bpm.

But my stroke is stronger (more effective? more efficient?)

Matthias strokes along at 11 SPI.

I am pulling 11.5 SPI.

I suspect that this may be because I am rowing at a lower drag (95 df.).

Rocket Roy also did his FM pb, when he was 55 years old, at 27 spm.

But he only pulled 1:56, 8.5 SPI.

That's wretched stuff.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by NavigationHazard » May 1st, 2011, 4:27 pm

I'm soiled!

For records 'tis our destiny to row
But much as in the end I come to naught there
There is still more I never try but should try;
More that should be spracked back-- FMs for instance
In Mike's opinion, --though we know I'm a muppet
Who lies again and again yet slings soil
And even more soil and hard stool at critics.
To smell the day's failure, let alone the diaper
Is an unpardonable sin in nursing.
The moral is, make an early start for the bathroom....

-- Robert Frost, "Song of Ann Arbor"
67 MH 6' 6"

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Fred » May 1st, 2011, 4:40 pm

ranger wrote:Naw.
It's not at all the best strategy to skip training altogether in order demonstrate, repeatedly, how bad you are.
ranger
So you feel that to do and post a FM as you indicated you would do, would just demonstrate how bad you are.

But, as long as you row your 10k a day, seeing 1:48 every once in a while, your training is great?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by KevJGK » May 1st, 2011, 5:13 pm

Gus wrote:Just out of curiosity, did anybody think ranger would post any of the pieces he said he'd do by May 1st?
There's more chance of Manchester City winning the league. :D
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Citroen » May 1st, 2011, 5:21 pm

snowleopard wrote:(There are no FM races, Dufus.)
In Rangerworld looking at the monitor after you're done rowing is "racing your training". So perhaps that's what the clueless moronic cretin is planning to do. Will he row 42,195 (or near enough) as a "Just Row" and then look for the mythical 1:44 avg when he's done. He could be gone a long time looking for that about as long as he'll be gone looking for the impossible 6:16 (or whatever his current vPB stands at today).

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by bellboy » May 1st, 2011, 5:23 pm

NavigationHazard wrote:I'm soiled!

For records 'tis our destiny to row
But much as in the end I come to naught there
There is still more I never try but should try;
More that should be spracked back-- FMs for instance
In Mike's opinion, --though we know I'm a muppet
Who lies again and again yet slings soil
And even more soil and hard stool at critics.
To smell the day's failure, let alone the diaper
Is an unpardonable sin in nursing.
The moral is, make an early start for the bathroom....

-- Robert Frost, "Song of Ann Arbor"
I have just laughed so hard that i broke wind rather violently.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Bob S. » May 1st, 2011, 7:22 pm

bellboy wrote:
NavigationHazard wrote:I'm soiled!
I have just laughed so hard that i broke wind rather violently.
Given the title chosen, that could have been hazardous. Check this advice out.
Edward Cole wrote: Here's something to remember when you're older Thomas - never pass up a bathroom, never waste a hard-on, and never trust a fart.
(That should be said rather than wrote, but the system doesn't allow that change.)

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