Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » May 1st, 2011, 8:43 am

bellboy wrote:After all its a fait accompli.
The FM?

No.

My _training_ is a fait accompli.

I am now rowing 1:44 @ 27 spm (11.5 SPI) with a FM, 75% HHR, 155 bpm HR, steady state, at 95 df.

That was the goal of my training (well, actually, quite a bit _beyond_ the goal of my training, about 4 seconds per 500m beyond, and at quite a bit higher rate and lower drag than I thought I would ever be able to row at for a FM).

Now I am just preparing to race.

I am _using_ the result of my training.

With my FM rowing, I am just building up relaxation and endurance with it, putting in the meters.

After I hit my target (or well below, e.g., 1:44) for a FM, I will hit my targets in all of my other distance trials with very little additional preparation.

For each additional trial, all I will need to do is raise the rate, pace, and HR as I shorten the distance, getting acquainted again with more and more intense (i.e., high HR) efforts.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » May 1st, 2011, 9:01 am

Back in 2002-2003, rowing badly at max drag (200+ df.), 1:44 was AT, 180 bpm.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » May 1st, 2011, 9:34 am

As a little lightweight, with short little lightweight legs, the amazing thing about rowing at 95 df. and a pretty high stroking power (e.g., 11-13 SPI) is the short drive time and therefore high ratio.

When you are rowing with a high ratio, high rates don't feel frenetic at all because you aren't working very long on each stroke cycle and then are resting most of the time.

At 27 spm, I am still in a 3.5-to-1 ratio, .5 seconds for the drive 1.7 seconds for the recovery.

Rowing at a higher drag (e.g., 120 df.) and lower stroking power (e.g., 7-9 SPI, like other 60s lwts), where your drive time might be as long as .75 seconds, at 27 spm, even if you are a little lightweight, you are in less than a 2-to-1 ratio.

:o :o

.75 seconds for the drive; 1.45 seconds for the recovery.

You are racing.

2-to-1 is a standard racing ratio.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Fred » May 1st, 2011, 10:13 am

ranger wrote:I suspect that I have done 60-70 million meters over the last decade.
Byron Drachman wrote:Some of the old-timers, devoted followers of our intrepid hero's postings, might recall the time at the UK Forum when our hero unwittingly showed a screen shot of his monitor that revealed the total meters on his machine. We all knew when he had gotten his machine, and Nav computed that he was averaging between 10 and 11K per day. Rather than admit he was caught in a lie, Ranger came up with an unconvincing argument why the real number of meters was more like twice that.
chgoss wrote: Rich, over the past decade, you have done 10 years x 365 days x 10k/day = 36,500,000
36.5m meters.
ranger wrote: When I am preparing to race, several years, I rowed on campus here at UM.I row when I travel (at hotels, athletic clubs, etc.).I row at race venues.I row when I visit others who have ergs.I row at boathouses of rowing clubs.Sure, if you don't count all your meters, you row less, on the average.
ranger wrote:I have been rowing WR pace from year to year, sub-6:30 in 2006, when I was 55, without even preparing for it, still struggling with technique, on a diet of 30 minutes of rowing a day?
your daily 10k takes you 40 minutes, you cover 15k when you do 60 minutes.

question, why not just look at your PM? you probably sit on another erg (other than the one in your basement/garage) 4 or 5 times a year.
answer: either you are lying and know it, or so completely wrapped up in this self delusion that you couldnt bring yourself to do it.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by whp4 » May 1st, 2011, 10:19 am

ranger wrote:
bellboy wrote:After all its a fait accompli.
The FM?

No.

My _training_ is a fait accompli.
A fail accompli, you mean.
I am now rowing 1:44 @ 27 spm (11.5 SPI) with a FM, 75% HHR, 155 bpm HR, steady state, at 95 df.
A few hundred meters is NOT steady state rowing. It has been more than a year since you have demonstrated the ability to do even 2K at that pace, much less while meeting the other constraints listed.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Citroen » May 1st, 2011, 11:00 am

ranger wrote:My _training_ is a fait accompli.
fait ac·com·pli/ˈfet əkämˈplē/
Noun: A thing that has already happened or been decided.

You must be using that "decided" definition, because it hasn't "already happened" and it isn't an "accomplished fact".

Clearly your grasp of a French phrase that has been adopted into English isn't all it should be.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » May 1st, 2011, 11:18 am

Citroen wrote:
ranger wrote:My _training_ is a fait accompli.
fait ac·com·pli/ˈfet əkämˈplē/
Noun: A thing that has already happened or been decided.

You must be using that "decided" definition, because it hasn't "already happened" and it isn't an "accomplished fact".

Clearly your grasp of a French phrase that has been adopted into English isn't all it should be.
No, it has indeed already happened.

I am rowing all of my meters at 11.5 SPI and 95 df.

Another 20K this morning.

After I am warmed up, doing 11.5 SPI @ 95 df., I go along at 27 spm when I am running at FM HR (155 bpm), steady state.

Fait accompli.

Now, I am just learning to relax maximally with it, extending the distance I am rowing to 2.5 hours.

No, the FM @ 1:44 is not a fait accompli yet.

But that wasn't one of my training goals--at all.

My training goal was to row well at low drag.

Fait accompli.

Now I am just using my completed training to prepare to race--and race.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » May 1st, 2011, 11:23 am

whp4 wrote: It has been more than a year since you have demonstrated the ability to do even 2K at that pace, much less while meeting the other constraints listed
Not true at all.

I demonstrate these things, repeatedly, every day.

You just aren't present at these repeated demonstrations, and so have no access to them.

So it goes.

The demonstration will be a FM (3500 strokes) not a few hundred meters (35 strokes).

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by snowleopard » May 1st, 2011, 11:33 am

ranger wrote:You just aren't present at these repeated demonstrations
Neither are you, ranger :roll:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » May 1st, 2011, 11:36 am

snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:You just aren't present at these repeated demonstrations
Neither are you, ranger :roll:
None of the things you folks are saying have any foundation whatsoever.

You're just whispering in the dark.

So it goes.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Citroen » May 1st, 2011, 11:53 am

ranger wrote:
Citroen wrote:
ranger wrote:My _training_ is a fait accompli.
fait ac·com·pli/ˈfet əkämˈplē/
Noun: A thing that has already happened or been decided.

You must be using that "decided" definition, because it hasn't "already happened" and it isn't an "accomplished fact".

Clearly your grasp of a French phrase that has been adopted into English isn't all it should be.
No, it has indeed already happened.
Eh?

THE FULL MARATHON AT 1:44 HAS NOT HAPPENED!

Are all poetic professors such f**king stupid clueless morons or is it just you? You haven't a clue on any sciences and your English usage and grammar leaves a lot to be desired. I can see why your university is pensioning you off.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by KevJGK » May 1st, 2011, 12:01 pm

ranger wrote:Back in 2002-2003, rowing badly at max drag (200+ df.), 1:44 was AT, 180 bpm.
And now it's just a distant memory. :wink:
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by KevJGK » May 1st, 2011, 12:10 pm

Much more significantly - earlier this afternoon.

Arsenal 1 - 0 Manchester United

We’re still 3 points clear of Chelsea but its getting a bit close for comfort? :o
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by bellboy » May 1st, 2011, 12:36 pm

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO DO THE FM THAT YOU HAVE BEED PROMISING TO DO FOR THE LAST TWO MONTHS?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » May 1st, 2011, 12:37 pm

Naw.

It's not at all the best strategy to skip training altogether in order demonstrate, repeatedly, how bad you are.

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