Ranger's training thread

[Citroen]

I suspect that I have done 60-70 million meters over the last decade.

That's quite a bit.

ranger

Why not follow the normal pattern and log your metres here: http://www.concept2.com/sranking03/log.asp that way we'll all be able to tell that YOU ARE NOT ROWING 20K/DAY. You're doing five minutes of pulling funky force curves in between the hundreds of words (mostly crap) that you're writing on here.

As far as the ranking system is concerned you've done a massive 2000 metres between May 1, 2010 and April 30, 2011, it took you just over seven minutes to do that.

[Fred]

I suspect that I have done 60-70 million meters over the last decade.

Rich, over the past decade, you have done 10 years x 365 days x 10k/day = 36,500,000

36.5m meters.

you would rather lie, than just look at your PM? Remember my question about honesty?

[Byron Drachman]

I suspect that I have done 60-70 million meters over the last decade.

Some of the old-timers, devoted followers of our intrepid hero's postings, might recall the time at the UK Forum when our hero unwittingly showed a screen shot of his monitor that revealed the total meters on his machine. We all knew when he had gotten his machine, and Nav computed that he was averaging between 10 and 11K per day. Rather than admit he was caught in a lie, Ranger came up with an unconvincing argument why the real number of meters was more like twice that.

[ranger]

I suspect that I have done 60-70 million meters over the last decade.

Some of the old-timers, devoted followers of our intrepid hero's postings, might recall the time at the UK Forum when our hero unwittingly showed a screen shot of his monitor that revealed the total meters on his machine. We all knew when he had gotten his machine, and Nav computed that he was averaging between 10 and 11K per day. Rather than admit he was caught in a lie, Ranger came up with an unconvincing argument why the real number of meters was more like twice that.

I have been rowing OTW for eight years.

When I am preparing to race, several years, I rowed on campus here at UM.

I row when I travel (at hotels, athletic clubs, etc.).

I row at race venues.

I row when I visit others who have ergs.

I row at boathouses of rowing clubs.

Etc.

Sure, if you don't count all your meters, you row less, on the average.

Who would think otherwise?

Since I am no longer cross-training, my goal this summer is to row 20K OTErg followed by 20K OTW.

My habit of rowing 20K a day just follows the workload that I have been used to all of my life.

As a marathon runner, I ran 80-mile weeks.

8 miles MWF.
Short intervals/fartleks on Tuesday
Long Intervals/repeat 1/2 miles and miles on Thursday
12 miles on Saturday
15 miles on Sunday

ranger

[snowleopard]

I row at boathouses of rowing clubs.

God that is so o o funny (and clearly a lie).

ranger, it is very clear from your posting pattern where most of your erging is done.

[ranger]

I row at boathouses of rowing clubs.

God that is so o o funny (and clearly a lie).

ranger, it is very clear from your posting pattern where most of your erging is done.

_Most_ of my erging?

Why do you say _most_?

In the spring, summer, and fall, I row both OTErg and OTW.

I row OTErg before dawn and OTW just after dawn.

ranger

[ranger]

I have been rowing WR pace from year to year, sub-6:30 in 2006, when I was 55, without even preparing for it, still struggling with technique, on a diet of 30 minutes of rowing a day?

Ya gotta be kiddin'.

No one my size has ever come anywhere near rowing sub-6:30 at 55 years old, training to race, fully prepared.

Sure, occasionally, for special purposes, I log my meters.

In the Holicay challenge in the winter of 2002-2003, I rowed 1.2 million meters in the month between Thanksgiving and Christmas.

ranger

[Citroen]

No one my size has ever come anywhere near rowing sub-6:30 at 55 years old, training to race, fully prepared.

True "no one" - including you.

That's the most facually correct thing you've said in a long time.

You are never "fully prepared", you can't row 6:30 (heck you can't even row sub7), you're not training to race (you've given up on racing) and you'll never again get under 6:40.

[ranger]

Hugely relaxed and efficient 1:44 @ 27 spm (11.5 SPI) now.

HR 155 bpm, steady state.

95 df.

3.5 -to-1 ratio

There's my FM stroke.

1:44 is top-end UT1 rowing for a 6:16 2K.

Yea.

Everyone who has ambitious goals for 2K, that is, everyone who wants to row to the limits of their potential, shouldn't do anything until they train for and race a FM @ 27 spm, rowing well (11 SPI for lightweights, 13 SPI for heavyweights) at minimal drag (95 df.).

A FM @ 27 spm, rowing well (11 SPI for lightweights, 14 SPI ffor heavyweights) at minimal drag (95 df.) says it all.

Effectiveness
Efficiency
Endurance
Aerobic Capacity

I suppose there are ways to scramble these things, but I think it is best to accomplish each of tasks in the order that I have listed them here.

First, learn to row well (13 SPI for lightweights; 16 SPI for heavyweights) at low rates.

Then slowly raise the rate up to 27 spm and learn to be efficient rowing well with a light stroke (about 2 SPI below natural stroking power) at minimal drag (95 df.).

Then learn to row efficiently and effectively with this light stroke and minimal drag over longer and longer distances.

Then put a clock on it (race) and demonstrate that you can hold your target pace, steady state, for a FM, 2.5 hours.

Give or take a bit (The Viking just did one second per 500m faster), 1:44 is as fast as any 60s lwt can row for 2K.

1:44/6:56 is the 60s lwt 2K American record.

So if I do a FM, 1:44 @ 27 spm, I will be in a pretty good place with my training, no?

A FM is done at 2K + 14.

A FM @ 1:44 would best the Open lwt FM WR.

It is 10 seconds per 500m, over 13 _minutes_, faster than I could do for a FM ten years ago.

The normal decline with age from 50 to 60 is four seconds per 500m.

So, if I get this FM done, my technical improvement over the last decade in this sort of rowing will have been accomplished at a rate of right around 1.4 seconds per 500m per year, starting from WR levels and getting faster and faster from there.

_Fabulous_ training.

ranger

[ranger]

The standard appraoch to a FM in and around this forum is to skip to the last step and just race it.

No need to train.

No need to learn to row effectively at low rates.

No need to learn to be efficient rowing effectively at low drag and higher rates.

No need to build up the endurance to row effectively and efficiently at low drag and higher rates over longer and longer distances.

Just race.

Who wants to train anyway?

Racing is the fun (i.e. the social and dramatically performative) part.

So just do it.

See what you get.

Time over distance rowed.

That's the only thing that matters.

If you don't race, you don't do anything at all.

To each his own, I guess.

I think that erging is all about training.

Get your training right, and racing is entirely redundant.

Race without doing proper training, and racing is entirely worthless.

ranger

[ranger]

The 60s lwt FM WR is 2:00 pace.

At 27 spm, that's 7.5 SPI.

The 11.5 SPI @ 27 spm that I am pulling bests that by over 50%.

110 watts.

ranger

[bellboy]

The 60s lwt FM WR is 2:00 pace.

At 27 spm, that's 7.5 SPI.

The 11.5 SPI @ 27 spm that I am pulling bests that by over 50%.

110 watts.

ranger

Well its the 1st May fucko so where is the FM that you have been promising for two months? You know? The one that you were going to row at 1.48. After all its a fait accompli.Butta. Lets face it you will never do a FM again as long as you have got a hole in your in arse. Now that you have wimped out AGAIN i suppose its time to give flight to your OTW fantasy now. What was it you said? No one is rowing better than me and that includes Mike VB,Dietz and another luminary i cant quite recall. I think you said this just prior to nearly drowning that Eight last year. I hope to christ you have got some insurance.

[hjs]

Isn't it time for a new thread?

Another season gone bye, and still everyhing is the same....

[ben990]

No world records from ranger. And now I am sad.

This thread is full of ranger fail.

I just know ranger can do it in 2012 though. Or 2013? Maybe 2014? For sure by 2015. And it is a lock by 2016. No doubt.

Hang in there, ranger. And day, week, month, year, decade, ... I know you will come through.

Anyways, congrats on your membership in the 7:xx Plus club. Those sub-7 guys are a little snooty anyways. You should be happy you are not with those guys anymore.

[atklein90]

Anyways, congrats on your membership in the 7:xx Plus club. Those sub-7 guys are a little snooty anyways. You should be happy you are not with those guys anymore.

Now THAT'S funny!