Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by whp4 » April 29th, 2011, 2:50 pm

ranger wrote:
No need to refute it again. I have already refuted it again and again.
Last recorded event shows Mike currently faster than you are. Or maybe you think you should have a BIRC gold this year because you rowed faster years ago than the winner this year did?
Talk is just social chit-chat. It's fun. It doesn't have anything to do with rowing.
Good. We've already established that all you do here is talk. Talk doesn't have anything to do with rowing, by your statement. Therefore, what you do doesn't have anything to do with rowing, as most of us have long suspected.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by whp4 » April 29th, 2011, 2:53 pm

ranger wrote:
snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:At 55, Mike pulled 6:45, fully prepared.

I pulled 6:29.7, unprepared and still struggling with technique,
Mike was a walkabout lwt. You were fat.

Your technique was fit for purpose.

etc. etc.
Fat is irrelevant in erging.

It doesn't make you go faster.

It doesn't make you go slower.

It just hangs there.
It may just hang there, but it also prevents you, Dick Cureton, from rowing effectively and reliably as a lightweight in competition. See recent appearances at BIRC and WIRC and assorted lesser events for examples.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 29th, 2011, 2:54 pm

snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:No one has to wait on anything or anyone in order to row a good 2K time OTErg.
So what are you waiting for? Season 2010/11 isn't over yet.
I am still preparing to race.

It doesn't have anything to do with my competition.

ranger
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by whp4 » April 29th, 2011, 2:57 pm

ranger wrote:
snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:No one has to wait on anything or anyone in order to row a good 2K time OTErg.
So what are you waiting for? Season 2010/11 isn't over yet.
I am still preparing to race.

It doesn't have anything to do with my competition.

ranger
Ranger is hoping that we'll all drift off to other things and no one will be left to point out that he never accomplished any of the things he claimed he was going to do.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 29th, 2011, 2:59 pm

whp4 wrote:It may just hang there, but it also prevents you, Dick Cureton, from rowing effectively and reliably as a lightweight in competition.
Sure, it is hard to get my weight right, especially when other things aren't right.

When other things are right (work on technique done, full sharpening, etc.), I am much more effective and reliable as a lightweight, though.

In 2003, all of my seven lightweight races were successful, with three WRs and golds in all of the major championships: 6:36, 6:33, 6:30, 6:32, 6:29, 6:28, 6:32.

You can't get much more effective and reliable than that.

At the time, Tardieu's 50s lwt WR was 6:31.6.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 29th, 2011, 3:02 pm

whp4 wrote:Talk doesn't have anything to do with rowing
True.

Nothing said here has anything to do with the fact that I had the best 2K in my age and weight division for the last two years, that last year no one my age and weight came within 20 seconds of my 2K, that I have three WR rows, that I have won all of the major championships, that I am preparing to row 6:16 at 60, and so forth.

The talk here is just social chit-chat.

Fun, though.

If you haven't noticed, there is quite a bit of interest these days in social networking.

It's entertaining.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by bellboy » April 29th, 2011, 3:09 pm

ranger wrote:
whp4 wrote:Talk doesn't have anything to do with rowing
True.

Nothing said here has anything to do with the fact that I had the best 2K in my age and weight division for the last two years, that last year no one my age and weight came within 20 seconds of my 2K, that I have three WR rows, that I have won all of the major championships, that I am preparing to row 6:16 at 60, and so forth.

The talk here is just social chit-chat.

Fun, though.

If you haven't noticed, there is quite a bit of interest these days in social networking.

It's entertaining.

ranger
Oh Christ. Zuckerburg hasn't let you on Facebook has he?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by aharmer » April 29th, 2011, 3:10 pm

ranger wrote:
whp4 wrote:It may just hang there, but it also prevents you, Dick Cureton, from rowing effectively and reliably as a lightweight in competition.
In 2002, all of my seven lightweight races were successful, with three WRs and golds in all of the major championships: 6:36, 6:33, 6:30, 6:32, 6:29, 6:28, 6:32.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 29th, 2011, 3:11 pm

whp4 wrote:Last recorded event shows Mike currently faster than you are.
"Events" in erging have nothing to do with anything.

What matters is how fast you are.

It doesn't matter where and when you do it.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 29th, 2011, 3:13 pm

aharmer wrote:An old ball coach used to tell us..."The further back you have to go to re-live your glory days, the less relevant you are."
I agree entirely.

That's why my training has been aggressively forward-looking for the last eight years.

I have already demonstrated, a dozen times over, that I can beat everyone if I prepare to race, rowing poorly at max drag.

So I have no interest in that at all.

I have been learning to row well at low drag so that can get faster.

Those who are successful at some level but don't look forward in this way to new challenges just get bored and quit.rowing entirely.

The list is long.

It is clear, though.

Once you are the best, it is _very_ hard to get better.

In fact, in recent times, besides me, no male, 40-70, has done it.

I am now trying to do it again.

For someone who didn't start rowing OTW until they were 52, learning to be fast in a 1x is also quite a challenge.

When I am done with my project on the erg, I will throw all of my energies into that.

This project OTW will be especially fun, given that I won't have to work. I will be retired.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by nharrigan » April 29th, 2011, 3:17 pm

ranger wrote:
nharrigan wrote:Ranger- Had a chance to get out in the fluid? Weather must be getting better in Ann Arbor. B)
Are you going to race in any regattas this year?
Weather has been wretched here, worse spring ever, so I haven't been out OTW yet.

I am looking forward to getting back in my 1x, though.

No set plans yet for regattas, etc.

I am sending the summer, June, July, and August, in Door County, WI.

Great rowing venue!

I'll row here on the Huron River in May, September, and October.

I would like to do the Head of the Charles if I can get an entry.

Masters Nationals in Oklahoma City might also be fun.

Regional head races in the early fall will be a must, as many as I can get to.

ranger
There is also the club nationals in Indianapolis and Canadian Henley now has masters events. Both courses will be buoyed, which is helpful.

Reading the rules of the HOCR, you would have a good chance of getting an entry. Only 11 were within 5% of the winner last year (getting guaranteed entries). You would be in the next draw with the 5-10% finishers.

http://www.hocr.org/competitors/rules_apps.asp
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 29th, 2011, 3:28 pm

What happens in a "draw" for the Head of the Charles?

Are a certain number of rowers taken from each group by random selection?

Or is there some selection procedure?

How many rowers are in each 1x race as a whole?

Do all rowers submit a 5K qualification time from their regional head races?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Fred » April 29th, 2011, 3:34 pm

Fred wrote:
Bob S. wrote:
Fred wrote: You cant simultaneously claim that weight management is what caused you to do so poorly, and that weight is irrelevant.
You miss the point, Fred. He can claim any thing he pleases. Just because some claims might be contradictory is no reason that he can't make them.
Rich: what are your views on honesty?

To quote you Rich from one of your other posts "Curious sort of deafening silence around here about these comments. Interesting"

:D

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by jliddil » April 29th, 2011, 3:35 pm

Busy day of excuses I see.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » April 29th, 2011, 4:33 pm

ranger wrote:
whp4 wrote:Last recorded event shows Mike currently faster than you are.
"Events" in erging have nothing to do with anything.

What matters is how fast you are.

It doesn't matter where and when you do it.

ranger

Indeed, and you don't do it anywhere or anytime. Not now, not "soon", not when you are "ready", never ever. And you will also never show any home attempt. Only "unprepared" raced, slower and slower.
I expect at some point you will fake some sort of "injuree" that forces you to stop rowing, preventing to show your "potential".


You are a liar, a cheat and a coward, but one of the best internet trolls ever. That I must give you that.

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