Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

At 55, Mike pulled 6:45, fully prepared.

I pulled 6:29.7, unprepared and still struggling with technique,

Mike was a walkabout lwt. You were fat.

Your technique was fit for purpose.

etc. etc.

Fat is irrelevant in erging.

It doesn't make you go faster.

It doesn't make you go slower.

It just hangs there.

My heavyweight and lightweight pbs OTErg are the same: 6:27.5 (hwt), 6:28 (lwt).

Mike and I have the same non-fat body mass.

Mike is taller than I am.

ranger

[Fred]

At 55, Mike pulled 6:45, fully prepared.
I pulled 6:29.7, unprepared and still struggling with technique,

Mike was a walkabout lwt. You were fat.
Your technique was fit for purpose.
etc. etc.

Fat is irrelevant in erging.
It doesn't make you go faster.
It doesn't make you go slower.

Dishonest post Rich, You cant compare your HW to Mikes LW times, there is a reason there are two weight classes. Fat may not make you go faster, but loosing said fat will definitely cause you to go slower (as was demonstrated by you at BIRC this year.

You are being dishonest. You cant simultaneously claim that weight management is what caused you to do so poorly, and that weight is irrelevant.

[Bob S.]

You cant simultaneously claim that weight management is what caused you to do so poorly, and that weight is irrelevant.

You miss the point, Fred. He can claim any thing he pleases. Just because some claims might be contradictory is no reason that he can't make them.

Don't try to mess up this thread with logic.

Bob S.

[mikvan52]

Let's take the "top dog" element out of this discussion.
I have said many times that Rich has a faster record than me at 2k on the erg. Why cover old ground?

I would love to face ranger at a venue where weigh-in guidelines are strictly adhered to...
Why is it that he doesn't go to Boston anymore?

Guess I have to wait 2 more years until we're both in the same age group. Yawn....

Rich has questioned my own commitment to racing...
Answer: I care about racing on the water and do frequently.

This year, I'm going to give my old bod' a rest in anticipation for a big -6-0- coming up in 15 months. I will still race at 5k OTW. Old guys take note... It hard on you to keep hitting it hard year after year.

Will we see ranger out there OTW? I sincerely doubt it. Not with his brand of patented dolphin on a trampoline macho-stroke...
TSO's belief that concentrating exclusively on the erg makes you fast on the water is so dead wrong as to be absurd....
Wonder why he won't get some good coaching advice somewhere?.... Pig-headed, I guess.

[ranger]

Pig-headed, I guess

Yea.

Ya got that one right.

I guess I've been a Wolverine too long.



_Autodidact_ is a high-falutin' word for the disease.

ranger

[ranger]

TSO's belief that concentrating exclusively on the erg makes you fast on the water is so dead wrong as to be absurd....

Sure, I concentrate exclusively OTErg when there is ice on the water.

Don't you?

In the summer months, I will row as much OTW as I do OTErg, hopefully 20K a day of each.

Sure, the erg can help you OTW.

If it didn't, no OTW rowers would use it.

But, glory be, it is now used universally.

ranger

[ranger]

This year, I'm going to give my old bod' a rest in anticipation for a big -6-0- coming up in 15 months.Old guys take note... It hard on you to keep hitting it hard year after year.

Yes, I agree.

It _is_ hard on you.

Then again, at this age, any time you take off undermines fitness (aerobic capacity, strength, quickeness, etc.) that is hard to get back, probably impossible to get back.

It is gone, permanently.

One step forward, two steps back.

My strategy is to keep moving when I get injured, tired, sick, or whatever.

I try to never miss a day.

If I have injured some body part, I try to exercise everything else until I get the injured part back.

I cross-train--swim, bike, step, skip, run, etc.

ranger

[Fred]

You cant simultaneously claim that weight management is what caused you to do so poorly, and that weight is irrelevant.

You miss the point, Fred. He can claim any thing he pleases. Just because some claims might be contradictory is no reason that he can't make them.

Rich: what are your views on honesty?

[Bob S.]

Guess I have to wait 2 more years until we're both in the same age group. Yawn....

You might be in the same C2 age group by then, but you will never be in the same range group as defined by TSO.

Bob S.

[ben990]

Hey, I tried to do a fast 5K during my lunch break, and I went out a little too fast and I had to take a couple of breaks around 3.5k and 4.1k. You could say I pulled a "ranger".

Don't worry though, I am not going to "Cureton" my overall time though with if's and when's.

[ranger]

Hey, I tried to do a fast 5K during my lunch break, and I went out a little too fast and I had to take a couple of breaks around 3.5k and 4.1k. You could say I pulled a "ranger".

Don't worry though, I am not going to "Cureton" my overall time though with if's and when's.

My 5K pb is 1:43/17:10, done when I was 52.

Sure, I'll be racing 5Ks again, but probably not for a couple of months.

Now that I am 60, my target is 1:39/16:30.

Can you "Cureton" a 17:10 at 52?

Or perhaps up-stage my attempt to "Cureton" a 16:30 at 60?

My goal now is 60min at 1:43.

29 spm

11 SPI

10 MPS

3-to-1 ratio

105 df.

ranger

[ranger]

Guess I have to wait 2 more years until we're both in the same age group. Yawn....

You might be in the same C2 age group by then, but you will never be in the same range group as defined by TSO.

Bob S.

No one has to wait on anything or anyone in order to row a good 2K time OTErg.

An erg race is just a race against the clock.

There is no race strategy, no wind, no waves, no course, no cold, etc.

Just you, your training, and the machine.

ranger

[aharmer]

You can talk about your 17:10 from 8 years ago. That's it. You'll never post an IND_V 5k again, let alone something within a minute of your PB. You have every right to prove me wrong...or just talk about how you're going to.

[ranger]

You can talk about your 17:10 from 8 years ago. That's it. You'll never post an IND_V 5k again, let alone something within a minute of your PB. You have every right to prove me wrong...or just talk about how you're going to.

Sure, I will.

But not until I post a FM, HM, 60min, 10K, and 6K.

Race preparation is best done from the top down.

My focus now is a FM @ 1:48 and a HM @ 1:45.

The former is six seconds per 500m faster than I was eight years ago.

The latter is four seconds per 500m faster than I was eight years ago.

ranger

[snowleopard]

No one has to wait on anything or anyone in order to row a good 2K time OTErg.

So what are you waiting for? Season 2010/11 isn't over yet.