Ranger's training thread

[PaulH]

Sure, for your 6:16 target there's work to be done, but 6:42.5 (the lwt world record) needs no trying from you, it's only just above a UT1 row, which you should be able to do at the drop of a hat.

WRs have to be set at race venues, so I'll have to wait until next winter for a try at WRs.

I wasn't suggesting you try to get the world record, merely that you sit down, today (or tomorrow, I guess) and blast out that time. Less than 7 minutes of your day spent to do an easy (yet quite impressive) row. Less than 7 minutes, and you show all the naysayers that your BIRC performance was an aberration. Why wouldn't you spend less than 7 minutes to do an easy row? You spend more time typing on the forum than that in a single day, and your typing proves nothing. That sub-7 effort would be scarcely any harder than the typing, and would prove so much more.

[ranger]

I wasn't suggesting you try to get the world record, merely that you sit down, today (or tomorrow, I guess) and blast out that time..That sub-7 effort would be scarcely any harder than the typing, and would prove so much more.

I am not trying to prove anything.

I am trying to achieve something.

Training for a 2K is both more successful and easier on you if you do your race preparation in good order.

Distance trials are best done from the top down, from FM to 5K.

Sharpening is best done _after_ distance trials.

2K trials are best done _after_ sharpening.

Sure, you can do things out of order if you want, but doing that is both less successful and harder on you.

If your goals are high, as mine are, such distractions from the task at hand can have serious consequences.

They are a waste of time and energy.

Dumb stuff.

ranger

[macroth]

I wasn't suggesting you try to get the world record, merely that you sit down, today (or tomorrow, I guess) and blast out that time..That sub-7 effort would be scarcely any harder than the typing, and would prove so much more.

I am not trying to prove anything.

I am trying to achieve something.

Training for a 2K is both more successful and easier on you if you do your race preparation in good order.

Distance trials are best done from the top down, from FM to 5K.

Sharpening is best done _after_ distance trials.

2K trials are best done _after_ sharpening.

Sure, you can do things out of order if you want, but doing that is both less successful and harder on you.

If your goals are high, as mine are, such distractions from the task at hand can have serious consequences.

They are a waste of time and energy.

Dumb stuff.

ranger

Need I remind you that you did things "out of order" when you set your lifetime PB in 2002?

And how is under 7 minutes of UT1 rowing going to have serious consequences, apart from having you actually row 2K without handling down for the first time in over a year?

[PaulH]

Distance trials are best done from the top down, from FM to 5K.

Yet as previously demonstrated you've never done this, so on what basis do you think this applies to anyone, let alone you?

If your goals are high, as mine are, such distractions from the task at hand can have serious consequences.

Does that mean you're going to stop posting here? If less than 7 minutes of easy rowing is a distraction from your goals, how much worse is an hour a day typing on a forum? Time you could spend on beneficial massages, or stretches, or cleaning your erg, or buying grapefruit.

Or could it possibly be that your 7:02 from BIRC is about where you are at the moment, and when we add in the hypothetical 12 seconds from distance rowing and 12 seconds from sharpening that you'll say you'll get(despite never having demonstrated this yourself and having no examples of the same from anyone who has trained as you have) we get down to 6:38, a time that is consistent with the decline in age expected of you? Yes, that sounds more likely.

[Fred]

I wasn't suggesting you try to get the world record, merely that you sit down, today (or tomorrow, I guess) and blast out that time..That sub-7 effort would be scarcely any harder than the typing, and would prove so much more.

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Training for a 2K is both more successful and easier on you if you do your race preparation in good order.
Distance trials are best done from the top down, from FM to 5K.
Sharpening is best done _after_ distance trials.
2K trials are best done _after_ sharpening.

I doubt Rich could do a sub 7 2k today, it would take some time spent doing intervals with his HR much closer to max than the kind of "non-continuous rows" he has been doing since BIRC.

Why he wont try:
- On some level he realizes that he doesnt want to interrupt his "distance training" with the work needed to get to sub 7 2k shape (which is why he's saying it would be "ruinous to attempt it".
- But, primarily, he doesnt really want to be reminded that a sub 7 2k is about his limit. He would rather come up with some excuse, and live in the land where 60 minutes of rowing at an average of 2:00 for 15k can be reported as "20k working with 1:48", which implies he's nearly at his goal of a 1:48 FM.

[ranger]

Need I remind you that you did things "out of order" when you set your lifetime PB in 2002?

Sure.

I should have learned to row well at low drag before I started race preparation.

Then again, I was a complete novice and had no goals, much less ambitious goals.

I was just jumping on the erg every day and yankin' the chain for an hour or two because it made me feel great, like I had been running for an hour or two, and I couldn't run anymore (achilles tendon problems).

Sure.

It takes a long time to learn to row well at low drag, especially if you are a veteran.

In fact, it is unprecedented.

No veteran has ever rowed well.

My goal of rowing a lwt 6:16 at 60 is the equivalent of rowing 5:59 at 50, not 6:27.5.

The average decline with age among veterans from 50 to 60 is 17 seconds over 2K.

My goals are now high indeed.

6:16 is 26.5 seconds under the 60s lwt WR of 6:42.5.

6:16 is rowing like a pretty good 30s heavyweight.

C.R.A.S.H.-B. Results 2011
Men's 30-39 Hwt

Pos Name Club/Country Time
1 Jamie Koven New York Athletic Club 05:57.0
2 Leandro Tozzo CBR-Brazilian Rowing Federation 06:01.0
3 Jens Raab Frankfurter Rudergesellschaft Germania 06:02.4
4 Toby Ayer Salisbury School 06:02.8
5 Thorsten Dr. Jonischkeit Köln Triathlon 06:13.1
6 Evgenii Trofimov Marine Technical University 06:14.1
7 Karl Eagleman Unaffiliated 06:14.2
8 Ollie Osborne Royal Navy IRC (RM) 06:15.1
9 Robert Brown Royal Navy IRC 06:19.6
10 Paul Fitzgerald Riverfront Recapture Inc. 06:20.8
11 James Thomson Royal Navy IRC 06:21.1
12 Marc-Antoine Desjardins Montreal Rowing Club 06:21.4
13 Pete Marston Team GB / MAD Team 06:22.0

ranger

[ranger]

I doubt Rich could do a sub 7 2k today, it would take some time spent doing intervals with his HR much closer to max

No need to do 2Ks at the moment.

But, sure, I need to row at higher HRs in training before I can race my best 2K.

Why would you assume that anyone can do their best 2K without preparing for it?

Then again, right now, I can do a 7:00 2K at 85% HRR (170 bpm).

And as I stretch out my distance rowing and relax with it, I can do 85% HRR, steady state, for a HM.

So, the challenge now is to do that HM @ 1:45 (after the FM @ 1:48).

Then I can move on to rowing shorter distances at higher HRs.

ranger

[aharmer]

So your 1:48 FM has been just around the corner for about 5 years. You are 60 years old. When you turn 61 there will be no evidence of this FM. Nor when you turn 62. At what age will you admit it's all a fantasy? Will you be on here at age 70 defending your ability for several hours a day? Is it possible you might actually spend a vast majority of you senior years lying on an erg forum? I just realized how truly pathetic this whole thing really is.

That said, do you have any explanation for why the FM isn't happening this weekend as promised?

[nharrigan]

Ranger- Had a chance to get out in the fluid? Weather must be getting better in Ann Arbor.
Are you going to race in any regattas this year?

[ranger]

So your 1:48 FM has been just around the corner for about 5 years.

I had the drag too high, and still had some things to learn about technique (relaxed shoulders and core at the catch; relaxed shoulders when I swing my back, better length).

Those things are now fixed.

ranger

[ranger]

Ranger- Had a chance to get out in the fluid? Weather must be getting better in Ann Arbor.
Are you going to race in any regattas this year?

Weather has been wretched here, worse spring ever, so I haven't been out OTW yet.

I am looking forward to getting back in my 1x, though.

No set plans yet for regattas, etc.

I am sending the summer, June, July, and August, in Door County, WI.

Great rowing venue!

I'll row here on the Huron River in May, September, and October.

I would like to do the Head of the Charles if I can get an entry.

Masters Nationals in Oklahoma City might also be fun.

Regional head races in the early fall will be a must, as many as I can get to.

ranger

[ben990]

<Lie after lie after lie...>

They are a waste of time and energy.

Dumb stuff.

ranger

I think the same thing about your posts.

What makes this thread so interesting is seeing how much time and effort you waste with it. It is also interesting to see you get caught in your lies. And some of the replies are great! I love the Byronisms! And the occasional video from NavHaz is priceless. OK, carry on.

[aharmer]

So your 1:48 FM has been just around the corner for about 5 years.

I had the drag too high, and still had some things to learn about technique (relaxed shoulders and core at the catch; relaxed shoulders when I swing my back, better length).

Those things are now fixed.

ranger

These issues were corrected some time ago. Any explanation for why you won't be doing the FM this weekend as promised?

[Byron Drachman]

Weather has been wretched here, worse spring ever, so I haven't been out OTW yet.

There have been many good days for rowing. There was a light rain yesterday morning but it was perfectly fine for rowing. By late afternoon it was warm and the Grand river was full of rowers wearing shorts and T-shirts. It was so nice I returned for a second row. I had fun trying to hold off a varsity pair who were closing on me. This morning there was some wind but I've been in much worse in head races.

Ranger seems to have decided that he can only row in perfect conditions. Anything less than perfect is wretched.

That reminds me of the old golfing joke: "I usually shoot in the 70's. If it is any warmer than that I stay home."

[mikvan52]

Would some one bring me up to date, please?
When is ranger going to do his FM? Must be soon...

Does anyone remember when it was that ranger last raced, fully prepared?
Was it Amsterdam (2006) when he came in fourth?