Ranger's training thread

[KevJGK]

My goal is 6:16 at 60.

Sometimes you have to admire the work of a clever troll.

He may frustrate you initially, but in retrospect one can admire his work like appreciating the mental work of a clever criminal - even though you are glad when he's locked up.

But a really clever troll would know when to stop.

[macroth]

But I think I might be getting into a position to try.

God, you're pathetic.

[snowleopard]

I can always get to weight if I need to

... and then row like shit

http://concept2.co.uk/birc/result_analy ... c_id=37858

...

as I have demonstrated repeatedly.

[PaulH]

Yet you can't break the record for 2k

I haven't tried yet.

Try has nothing to do with it. Sure, for your 6:16 target there's work to be done, but 6:42.5 (the lwt world record) needs no trying from you, it's only just above a UT1 row, which you should be able to do at the drop of a hat. Sure, it wouldn't actually be the record as you're not at weight, but it would at least show it was yours for the taking. So why not do it, right now, while the morning is still young?

[mikvan52]

My goal is 6:16 at 60.

Sometimes you have to admire the work of a clever troll.

(SNIP)

But a really clever troll would know when to stop.

Ah, but Kevin, TSO "stops" all the time. (RWB)

Just look at that seismic pace curve at the BIRC

[bellboy]

Yet you can't break the record for 2k

I haven't tried yet.

I am just doing distance rowing and distance trials.

After distance trials, I will need to sharpen for a couple of months to bring up my anaerobic capacities and then race for a couple of months to get my best 2K, given accidental conditions.

Actually, rowing as a 60s veteran, making weight is now irrelevant for me, just a bonus, no necessity.

If I hit my targets, I'll destroy Hendershott's _heavyweight_ 60s 2K WR by 8 seconds and outrow Spousta by 15 seconds over 2K.

Then, as I did in 2002-2003, I'll get to weight and pull the same time as a lightweight, unifying the two 60s weight divisions.

If I indeed end up pulling a lwt 6:16 for 2K at 60 years old, it will never beaten.

It will be beyond the pale!

If I pull a lwt 6:16 at 60, I will be rowing like this guy, the greatest rower of our time, both OTW and OTErg, who, at 38 years old, is now preparing for his _fifth_ Olympics and fourth gold (to go with a bronze):



ranger

Just a query. Do you use lotion when you look at your pic of EE or do you like to go barehanded?

[ben990]

Yet you can't break the record for 2k

<Lie. Lie. Lie.>

If I pull a lwt 6:16 at 60, I will be rowing like this guy, the greatest rower of our time, both OTW and OTErg, who, at 38 years old, is now preparing for his _fifth_ Olympics and fourth gold (to go with a bronze):

ranger

WTF?! I was under the impression that you were the greatest rower of our time... I know you can get that 6:16 sooner or later. I just know it. Your were oh so close with your 7:02... you just needed to pull a little harder.

I am thinking that this thread probably drives the folks at Concept2 crazy...and your obsession with EE is creepy. Does your wife know about it? Do you put a bag over her head with a picture of EE on it? Or does she put a bag over your head with his picture on it? Or both?

[atklein90]

remember! avoid racing for as many years as possible... it's the only way to get better

Are you getting better OTErg?

Nope.

6:45 five years ago.

Now 6:56 (and injured?).

By the time you are 60, you'll have trouble pulling 7:00 for 2K.

ranger

The funny thing is, your abilities are declining even faster! At 59 you couldn't even pull 7:00 for 2K!

[atklein90]

I am just doing distance rowing and distance trials.

ranger

If you're doing distance trials, why don't you share some results with us.

Probably because they're pathetic.

[ranger]

My goal is 6:16 at 60.

Sometimes you have to admire the work of a clever troll.

He may frustrate you initially, but in retrospect one can admire his work like appreciating the mental work of a clever criminal - even though you are glad when he's locked up.

But a really clever troll would know when to stop.

Stop rowing?

I don't know, but I think that I'll still be rowing, both OTW and OTErg, 30 years from now.

That will be a couple of decades after you quit the sport because of disappointment, injury, sickness, and/or staleness.

Or just plain boredom.

ranger

[ranger]

Sure, for your 6:16 target there's work to be done, but 6:42.5 (the lwt world record) needs no trying from you, it's only just above a UT1 row, which you should be able to do at the drop of a hat.

WRs have to be set at race venues, so I'll have to wait until next winter for a try at WRs.

I am a heavyweight right now, anyway, so that WR for me is 6:24.

No, I can't do 6:24 without distance trials and quite a bit of sharpening.

6:24 would be a pb by four seconds--ten years later.

Given my hwt 6:27.5 in 2002, when I was 51, the prediction is that I will row a hwt 6:44.5 in 2012, when I will be 61.

The decline with age among veterans is 17 seconds over 2K from 50 to 60.

ranger

[ranger]

Sure, for your 6:16 target there's work to be done, but 6:42.5 (the lwt world record) needs no trying from you, it's only just above a UT1 row

Well, once I have established my top-end UT1 pace at 1:43 @ 29 spm, sure, I will be pretty close to 1:40.5.

1:43 and 1:40 certainly aren't the same, though.

My goal for 4 x 2K is 1:38.

So I should best the 60s lwt 2K WR, repeatedly, and by a significant margin, when I am sharpening.

By then, I will have a full array of distance times that predict a 6:16 2K and will have moved the drag up to 140 df.

ranger

[Fred]

Sure, for your 6:16 target there's work to be done, but 6:42.5 (the lwt world record) needs no trying from you, it's only just above a UT1 row, which you should be able to do at the drop of a hat.

WRs have to be set at race venues, so I'll have to wait until next winter for a try at WRs.
I am a heavyweight right now, anyway, so that WR for me is 6:24.
No, I can't do 6:24 without distance trials and quite a bit of sharpening.

you mean to say you cant get to 6:24 speed without first getting to FM/HM times that would indicate you are within sharpening distance.

Of course that's the issue, you arent any where near FM/HM times that would indicate you are within sharpening distance of sub 6:40 even.

I think You sort of realize that, as you make comments like "All I need to do is get my HR riding along at XXX", indicating that you are unable to maintain the pace you need for the entire duration of a FM/HM and need to take breaks. But then again, I doubt you consciously understand that being unable to maintain a pace for the entire piece means you cant maintain a pace for the entire piece (seems fairly straight forward to the rest of us).

It's amazing the degree to which you can be dishonest with your self.

[Fred]

My goal for 4 x 2K is 1:38.

whatever your "goal" may be, I doubt you could do a 4x2k 4min rest at 1:48 right now. You would never try it though, so you'll never be forced to face that.

[Byron Drachman]

Feb 18, 2011: A month or so of double-session "Steamrollering" should get me plenty ready for FM and HM trials. Then I will get back to "Save a Horse, Ride a Cowboy" rowing at 26 spm and a threshold HR in order to prepare for 60min, 10K, and 30min trials. Then I will be ready for some AT training (e.g., 4 x 2K) to prepare for 5K and 6K trials. I think I should be able to get all of this training and racing in by the end of the indoor rowing season, April 30th. If I am successful in this training and racing, by April 30th, I should hold all of the 60s hwt WRs from 5K to a FM. Then, at the end of April, it might be interesting to do an at-home 2K trial to see if I can beat do better than Hendershott's 6:24. After that, all of my rowing will be OTW.

April 28, 2011: WRs have to be set at race venues, so I'll have to wait until next winter for a try at WRs.

No. Only the 2000m has to be done at a race venue. Of course you already know that but that is a nice job of trolling to pretend otherwise.

You missed another good day to train OTW for the Nationals and HOCR, which you say you will win this year. It was windy this morning--perfect for getting used to head race conditions.
From the C2 website:

All 2000 meter record-breaking times must be rowed at a Concept2 sanctioned indoor rowing event with witnesses present. In addition all 2000 meter record-breaking times must be rowed on Concept2 Indoor Rowers without Slides.

Requirements for Other Pieces

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5000 meters
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30 minutes
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24 hour row (ultra-distance)
Longest continual row (ultra-distance)

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