Ranger's training thread

[hjs]

All of this review of the past is irrelevant.

I'll do all of my trials now IND_V and take screenshots of the monitor, not that that will counter your skepticism.

If you don't want to believe something, no one is going to make you.

It is always your option to be in some sort of deluded denial if you want to.

BTW, as in 2002-2003, when I get around to racing 2K, fully trained, the time I pull will just be what has been long predicted by my distance trials and predictor 2K sessions.

ranger

You will not ever show a piece IND_V.

[ben990]

I like your new sig, hjs!

[aharmer]

Hahahaha! Assuming you don't rip off a handful of world records in the next few days, we have another season of failure coming to an end. Fast forward about50 months and we'll be having the same conversation except he will now be touting the importance of the upcoming onslaught on the 66-70 yo category. Still with 6:16 as his potential, and still with a FM at 1:48 right around the corner. The only difference being that he will be even more pathetic then...if that is possible.

[Tinpusher]

It took me a second look, but I like it!

[hjs]

It took me a second look, but I like it!

[mikvan52]

I don't read much here anymore... too repetitive !... boring!!

I would, however like to congratulate ranger on yet another fine and emblematic year of erging w/o ever racing.
(In his own words BIRC was a paddle)

As he also gets better each year, may I wish him a totally virtual 2012 C2 year ... that begins next week.
May it be perfect: (as in) no regattas indoor or out! only "I shoulds" and "if I" stuff.

Remember everyone: Racing is redundant and ruinous.... the "3 R's"!

[Fred]

I don't read much here anymore... too repetitive !... boring!!
I would, however like to congratulate ranger on yet another fine and emblematic year of erging w/o ever racing.
(In his own words BIRC was a paddle)
As he also gets better each year, may I wish him a totally virtual 2012 C2 year ... that begins next week.
May it be perfect: (as in) no regattas indoor or out! only "I shoulds" and "if I" stuff.
Remember everyone: Racing is redundant and ruinous.... the "3 R's"!

According to Rich, Racing my be ruinous, but it cant be redundant. He has taken pains to explain away his BEST results from the past three years (6:41, 6:41, 7:02) as specifically NOT reflective of his training.

[ranger]

I would, however like to congratulate ranger on yet another fine and emblematic year of erging w/o ever racing.

I don't understand the "another" here.

I have only missed a couple of years of racing in 10 years.

Almost everyone else that was rowing ten years ago has quit the sport entirely for one reason or another.

Sure, I haven't _prepared_ to race since 2003.

I have just been training, learning to row, overcoming my weaknesses, getting better.

But that hasn't prevented me from having the best 2K time for my age and weight in several of these years and sub-6:30 2Ks as a heavyweight in 2002 and 2006.

I have raced on the erg _waaay_ more than you have over the last decade.

ranger

[ranger]

Racing my be ruinous, but it cant be redundant.

No, just the opposite.

If you are fully prepared to race, racing is redundant, but _not_ ruinous.

Your race preparation predicts your 2K thirteen times over: FM, HM, 60min, 10K, 30min, 6K, 5K, 1K, 500m, 8 x 500m, UT2, 4 x 1K, 4 x 2K.

And your training has been over long before you do _any_ of these 2K predictors.

So, doing this race preparation has no effect on your training other than consolidating your gains.

At 95 df., I now pull 11.7 SPI in my distance rowing.

At 140 df., which I will use to row 2K, I now pull 13.7 SPI.

Sure, preparing to race with this stroke is going to be fun--and rewarding.

I now row well.

I am _waaay_ better than I was in 2002-2003, when I rowed badly (10 SPI) at max drag (200+ df.).

Just preparing to race, and racing, preparing to race, and racing, never made anyone any better.

You get better by overcoming your weaknesses--by training.

ranger

[Fred]

[according to Rich] Racing my be ruinous, but it cant be redundant.

No, just the opposite.

I would agree, your performance on race day reflects your training progress to that point.

If your training has not progressed past the point where you are doing 2:50 FMs and/or 6:50 2ks, then that is what you are going to race at.

Interesting watching you try to build a case that while you are slower, you are somehow "better".

[ranger]

BTW, if I am now doing 13.7 SPI at 140 df., just stroking naturally, at, say, 160 df., I should do a good 14.5 SPI, just stroking naturally, with no change in my technique.

14.5 SPI is the stroking power that I need to do 30'r20 @ 1:46, which predicts a 6:16 2K.

So, another thing I might do to prepare for 2K over the next year or so is some bouts of 30'r20 at 160 df. until I can get it done at 1:46.

That would raise the number of 2K predictors to fourteen.

ranger

[ranger]

Interesting watching you try to build a case that while you are slower, you are somehow "better".

Time to wake up.

In training for rowing, pace isn't speed.

Speed in rowing is speed of leverage (i.e., stroking power at low drag, which does more work per stroke at a higher ratio, i.e., with less time working and more time resting).

Everyone the same age and weight rows the same distance at the same rate with the same physiological cost (%HRR).

The one who rows best (i.e., the one with the highest stroking power) wins.

ranger

[bellboy]

BTW, if I am now doing 13.7 SPI at 140 df., just stroking naturally, at, say, 160 df., I should do a good 14.5 SPI, just stroking naturally, with no change in my technique.

14.5 SPI is the stroking power that I need to do 30'r20 @ 1:46, which predicts a 6:16 2K.

So, another thing I might do to prepare for 2K over the next year or so is some bouts of 30'r20 at 160 df. until I can get it done at 1:46.

That would raise the number of 2K predictors to fourteen.

ranger

BTW, if I am now doing 13.7 SPI at 140 df., just stroking naturally, at, say, 160 df., I should do a good 14.5 SPI, just stroking naturally, with no change in my technique.

14.5 SPI is the stroking power that I need to do 30'r20 @ 1:46, which predicts a 6:16 2K.

So, another thing I might do to prepare for 2K over the next year or so is some bouts of 30'r20 at 160 df. until I can get it done at 1:46.

That would raise the number of 2K predictors to fourteen.

ranger

All of those predictors eh? Fourteen? Wow! Yet you have never matched one. Ever.

[aharmer]

BTW, if I am now doing 13.7 SPI at 140 df., just stroking naturally, at, say, 160 df., I should do a good 14.5 SPI, just stroking naturally, with no change in my technique.

14.5 SPI is the stroking power that I need to do 30'r20 @ 1:46, which predicts a 6:16 2K.

So, another thing I might do to prepare for 2K over the next year or so is some bouts of 30'r20 at 160 df. until I can get it done at 1:46.

That would raise the number of 2K predictors to fourteen.

ranger

I'm sure you'll do many 30r20's at 1:46 over the next year. What would be really cool is to actually see the results of one of them. Or is your version of a 30r20 actually done over the course of 2 hours on the Just Row setting you love so much?

[Fred]

Interesting watching you try to build a case that while you are slower, you are somehow "better".

Time to wake up. In training for rowing, pace isn't speed.
Speed in rowing is speed of leverage (i.e., stroking power at low drag, which does more work per stroke at a higher ratio, i.e., with less time working and more time resting).
Everyone the same age and weight rows the same distance at the same rate with the same physiological cost (%HRR).
The one who rows best (i.e., the one with the highest stroking power) wins.
ranger

So, apparently you are looking for race organizers to say something like "sure, it was a 7:02 average, but did you SEE that he was pulling 1:35 for a couple hundred meters! That was to count for something, lets call it a 6:16"

Average pace is what the results are based on Rich. That is it. Fini.