Ranger's training thread

[jliddil]

The theory claims that poetry is built up from temporal modes that enable/underpin/determine analogous paradigms of forms (in rhythm itself, language, rhetoric, and meaning).

"No evidence at all for that"

[jliddil]

These (fractal) temporal paradigms are quadratic, determined by the dialectically related qualities of the four components of rhythm--meter, grouping, prolongational, and theme.

"No evidence at all for that"

[jliddil]

I have been working on the theory for twenty years, while teaching it in my classes.

"No evidence at all for that"

[luckylindy]

You are a 7:02 erger until you show us otherwise.

No, in the past, as a 50s lwt, I am 6:28 erger, rowing badly (10 SPI) at max drag (200+ drag factor).

Among 50s lwts, historically, that makes me the third best in the sport, off the pace by three seconds, but better than any 50s lwt can row at the moment.

In the present, as a 60s erger, we won't know what I am until I row a 2K, fully prepared, rowing well (13 SPI) at normal drag (140 df.).

But I will suggest this:

I am now quite a bit better than I was ten years ago.

ranger

You are only as good as your best row this season, not as good as your best row ever, so there is no evidence that you are better than 10 years ago. Have a 2k time better than 7:02 at home? Post it. Have a 10k/hm/fm time that shows you are better? Then post it. You have shown that you know how to take pictures and short videos of force curves (which show nothing), you have no valid excuse other than not being able to meet the unreasonable expectations you've set for yourself.

As a dad, I try to live a life of which my kids would be proud ... I don't always succeed, but I try. If Haley read through your thread, would she be proud of her pop? This thread invites everyone reading to look at you in the worst possible light, is that really how you want your friends and family to view you?

You did some great rowing years ago, and you still row well for your age group. Being able to row 20k in a day, and pulling around a 7:00 2k is 'rowing well', regardless of SPI, age, or any other metric. If this thread is 100% trolling, then more power to you for finding a way to entertain yourself, but if it reflects even an ounce of seriousness then you're only hurting yourself.

[Bob S.]

This is wonderful. Glad I stopped by.
Can you explain how is theme a component of rhythm? I don't get that.
How are the paradigms fractal or quadratic?
Perhaps you should extend the theory by looking at complex Ginzburg-Landau theory which has been used many times to gain insight into nonequilibrium phenomena in spatially extended multidimensional systems.
After all fractals are kind of passe these days.

I thought that he was into string theory. After all he has been stringing the forum readers along for quite a few years now.

Bob S.

[ranger]

You are only as good as your best row this season, not as good as your best row ever, so there is no evidence that you are better than 10 years ago.]

Depends what you mean by "evidence" and "best row."

Each of us has a _mound_ of evidence about our own rowing. If your point is that _you_ don't have any evidence that my rowing is better, then sure. You don't.

If by "best row" you mean a 2K trial, fully prepared, then I haven't done a 2K trial since 2003.

In 2006, I pulled sub-6:30 without preparing for it. That has been my best 2K since 2003, but I did it without distance rowing, distance trials, or sharpening, just on the basis of low rate rowing at high stroking power (RWBs) working on technique.

As I have mentioned repeatedly, my work on technique is now complete.

But I still need to prepare to race before we can see what I can do for 2K.

I need to do distance trials from the top down: FM, HM, 60min, 10K, 30min, 6K, 5K.

Then I need to do anaerobic intervals, including standard 2K predictor sessions (8 x 500, 4 x 1K, 4 x 2K, 500m trials, 1k trials, etc.) for a couple of months to sharpen up my anaerobic capacities.

Then I need to race for a couple of months until I get my best time, given accidental/incidental conditions (taper, sleep, food, warm up, pacing, etc.).

Since every step along this way will predict both my 2K and everything else I do to prepare for it, nothing will be mysterious about any of this.

FM 2K + 14
HM 2K + 11
60min 2K + 10
10K 2K + 8
30min 2K + 7
6K 2K + 6
5K 2K + 5
1K 2K - 5
500m 2K - 10
8 x 500m (3:30 rest) 2K - 3
4 x 1K 2K
4 x 2K 2K + 4

UT2 pace is also a good 2K predictor at 2K + 15.

ranger

[ranger]

Yea.

If you are rowing at low drag (95 df.), 10 MPS rowing is steady state, top-end UT1 rowing.

You should be able to do it for a HM.

That's what I am falling into now.

1:43 @ 29 spm (11 SPI, 10 MPS) is getting _very_ comfortable.

3-to-1 ratio

95 df.

1:43 for top-end UT1 predicts a 6:12 2K.

ranger

[ranger]

Given this correlation between 10 MPS rowing and top-end UT1, if you have the skill to row at low drag (95 df.), how fast you are for 2K is just a matter of your natural stroking power, which determines your rung on the 10 MPS ladder.

Distance rowing is done with a light stroke, so your rung on the 10 MPS ladder for distance rowing is about 2 SPI below your natural stroking power.

My natural stroking power is 13 SPI.

So my place on the 10 MPS ladder is 11 SPI, 1:43 @ 29 spm.

If your natural stroking power is 11 SPI, your place on the 10 MPS ladder is 9 SPI, 1:55 @ 26 spm (9 SPI, 10 MPS).

And so forth.

1:43 for top-end UT1 is five seconds per 500m better than I was in 2002-2003.

The 60s hwt WR for a HM is Oesterling's 1:50 pace.

The 60s lwt WR for a HM is 1:54 pace.

The 50s hwt WR for 60min is Steve Krum's 1:46/17K.

ranger

[macroth]

As I have mentioned repeatedly, my work on technique is now complete.

Yes, you've been mentioning this for several years now. Don't make me Byronquote you on it.

I need to do distance trials from the top down: FM, HM, 60min, 10K, 30min, 6K, 5K.

No you don't. That's not how you prepared for your PB's and former WRs, and that's not how anybody who's won major races or held WRs prepares. This is absolutely unnecessary and just another excuse for never being "prepared". You're already doing hard intervals anyway (a few hundred meters, take a break, rinse, repeat), so you're 95% sharp right now.

Then I need to race for a couple of months until I get my best time, given accidental/incidental conditions (taper, sleep, food, warm up, pacing, etc.).

You never taper, so you say, and your PB was your very first race. Pacing is just a matter of not being a complete moron, but that's maybe your biggest challenge. When and how do you propose to race for a couple of months anyway, unless you're -again- postponing your meeting with reality to next winter?

Since every step along this way will predict both my 2K and everything else I do to prepare for it, nothing will be mysterious about any of this.

Since you won't even get past step one, it will remain a mystery to you why you can barely break 7:00 anymore. The rest of us have it figured out.

Same old, same, decrepit, delusional old.

[ranger]

Of course, if you _don't_ have the skill to row at low drag (95 df.), none of these correlations hold.

At higher drag, your drive length is shorter; your drive time is longer; the chain is heavier; your legs are slower; your upper body is overburdened; etc.

ranger

[ranger]

That's not how you prepared for your PB's and former WRs

Yes, it is.

ranger

[ranger]

This is absolutely unnecessary

Sure, it you want to row a 2K that is 30 seconds slower than the standard for your age and weight.

It is only necessary if you want to row WR 2Ks, or in my case this time, row a 2K that is 30 seconds _faster_ than the standard for your age and weight.

ranger

[ranger]

you're -again- postponing your meeting with reality to next winter?

Not at all.

As I just mentioned in my post above, every step in race preparation predicts your 2K.

You face reality all along the way.

Here are 13 2K predictors:

Since every step along this way will predict both my 2K and everything else I do to prepare for it, nothing will be mysterious about any of this.

FM 2K + 14
HM 2K + 11
60min 2K + 10
10K 2K + 8
30min 2K + 7
6K 2K + 6
5K 2K + 5
1K 2K - 5
500m 2K - 10
8 x 500m (3:30 rest) 2K - 3
4 x 1K 2K
4 x 2K 2K + 4

UT2 pace is also a good 2K predictor at 2K + 15.

ranger

[macroth]

That's not how you prepared for your PB's and former WRs

Yes, it is.

ranger

Liar.

[ranger]

you won't even get past step one

Not at all.

And at least I have a step one.

You don't.

Undoubtedly, that's part of the reason you row so badly.

You don't know how to train.

What do you do for a FM?

Your 500m predicts 6:15; your 5K predicts 6:42.

You don't have any endurance.

ranger