Ranger's training thread

[Bob S.]

There are only two choices here ... (a) wait to see what is next or ... (b) leave. There is no "performance" to this thing ranger thinks is "art".

JimR

The main point of the thread seems to be that it gives him the opportunity to bait those who respond to it - and he has become a master at that.

Bob S.

[mikvan52]

There are only two choices here ... (a) wait to see what is next or ... (b) leave. There is no "performance" to this thing ranger thinks is "art".

JimR

The main point of the thread seems to be that it gives him the opportunity to bait those who respond to it - and he has become a master at that.

Bob S.

the master! Ah, yes...
The little "would"-"if"-"mite"


a rather insignificant household pest.... an irritant...
quite easy to dismiss...
and: You'll never actually see him in public

[jliddil]

[ranger]

Wow.

At 95 df. and 11 SPI, my drive time is _really_ brief, well under .5 seconds.

This means that I am in a very comfortable 2-to-1 ratio at 44 spm.

.44 seconds for the drive.

.88 seconds for the recovery.

1:30 pace.

There's my stroke for 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) and 1K.

If I were 20 years old, like Stephansen, I suspect that would be my 2K racing stroke.

Many people race in right around a 2-to-1 ratio.

For racing, I'll lower the rate to 38 spm.

1:34

2.5-to-1 ratio

This 2.5-to-1 ratio is just the ratio that PaulS is in here, pulling 10 MPS, 1:26 @ 34 spm (15 SPI):

http://www.ps-sport.net/pictures/Test01 ... akPaul.jpg

My stroke now gets right about the same peak force as Paul's--120 kg.F.

I am rowing at a lower drag than Stephansen, but I can now do his stroke--exactly.

DANISH LIGHTWEIGHT RACING STROKE

ranger

[ranger]

MIke VB can do this stroke, too.

Give or take a bit, this is the stroke he uses for 500m trials.

ranger

[ranger]

For 500m trials, I would row at right about the same rate (44 spm) but just raise the drag to get more pace.

At close to max drag, I would pull 1:24 at 44 spm.

Longer drive time.

1-to-1 ratio.

.66 seconds for the drive.

.66 seconds for the recovery.

ranger

P.S. The drive time is 1/3 longer at max drag that it is at 95 df.

[ranger]

It's nice being on vacation/retired and not having to work--like Rocket Roy, Mike VB, Dennis H., etc.

I don't go back to teaching until September.

It is quite a bit easier to row (or bike, or run, or swim, or ski, or skate, or paddle, or step, or skip, or climb, or hike, or ...) when that's all you do.

ranger

[hjs]

Two new World Records were set in Finland on April 16-17:
Antti Varis Men 50+ Hwt Marathon 2:29.47.9 (1:46.5)
Jari Heikkilä Men 40+ Lwt 24h, 277420m.




Antti likes to row at max drag, hiigh rate.
Maybe he should contect "the best trainer" in the world. After all 146.5 age 50 for a not so big man is piss poor

[hjs]

On Sunday night when he hasn't posted anything, after claiming that he would yet again, what will be the reason? Will he have tried, but failed so miserably that he doesn't dare show the results? Has he never had any intention of trying, just likes the attention and is stringing it out as long as possible? Does he even erg? I wish there was another forumite that lived in Ann Arbor that could go visit the lunatic and dig into his erg's memory for a meters total. That's been requested several times but he wont take that photo either...I guess that would mean he's racing his training.

The answer is pretty clear:
He has absolutely no intention of trying.
He knows very well that his goals are a fantasy.
His motivation for being here is simply attention.
I believe that he ergs a lot - but far less than he claims.
My best guess is that he is suffering from some kind of mental illness.

I would disagree with some portions:
- at this instant in time, he intends to do it. As the time draws near to actually do it, some sort of subconscious self defense mechanism will kick in to protect him from reality.
- he thinks his goals can be attained
- he is definitely here for the attention and we are enablers
- he ergs about 1/2 of what he claims

main difference between your view and mine: I believe he really does think he can erg a 6:16 2k. NO ONE would spend all that money, fly to the UK and humiliate himself in front of everyone if he knew going in there was absolutely -0- chance that he would go sub 6:40 let alone sub 6:20. No one would go out at a 1:35 pace with a target of 6:40.

If you would have talked to him immediately after BIRC, you would have found him to be devastated. In his mind, he erg'd 45 seconds off his mark.

His mind hasn't accepted the reality of his current ability, it cant. Something compels him to construct this delusion and surprisingly, no matter how increasingly wide the gulf between reality and delusion, the delusion is never dislodged.

This was true up untill a few years back, but now he knows very well that he never will race close to his PB s again. he went to birc for the record only not for a 6.16, but his poor weight management made him row bad, he did pull a few low 6.40 the last couple of years. So that record was not 100% out of sight.

[mikvan52]

ranger's "Groundhog's Day" is coming up... May 1st

Yet another opportunity for TSO to rise from the ashes...

May First!

I wonder how many of these ranger has?
Any comment, Rich?
"Unfinished business" ??

I wonder if Oesterling is quaking in his boots?
60m 16506 61 TJ Oesterling.... American record (prob. WR too..)
For perspective
Let me do the long division for Von MannBatt >>> TJ )a big hwt @ 97 kg( rowed that hour at 1:49 pace.. & you're going for over double the distance at 1:48.... as the brine shrimp of the Huron

[ranger]

There is no "performance" to this thing ranger thinks is "art".

Puzzling sentiment.

No evidence for this.

I have had the best 2K in my age and weight class (6:41, 55s lwts) for the last two years, without even preparing to race.

Last year, no one my age and weight came within 20 seconds of my 2K.

No 58 and/ 59-year-old lwt has ever rowed as fast.

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (55–59) | 2010 Season

You are number 1 of 105

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Michael van Beuren 57 Hartland VT USA 6:47.6 IND_V
3 Jonathan Rich 56 Winter Park FL USA 6:52.3 RACE
4 Eric Winterbottom 58 Bodytalk GBR 7:01.9 RACE
5 Gary Passler 55 amesbury ma USA 7:05.0 RACE
6 David Sutkowy 56 manlius NY USA 7:05.4 RACE
6 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 7:05.4 IND
8 John Busk 56 Slangerup DEN 7:07.6 IND
9 Ernest Cook 55 Brookline MA USA 7:08.3 RACE
10 Daniel Devez 56 Port-Marly Rc FRA 7:08.5 RACE

RANKING RESULTS 2009

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (55–59) | 2009 Season

You are number 1 of 95

1 Rich Cureton 58 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.0 RACE
2 Rocketroy Brook 57 GBR 6:43.8 RACE
3 John Busk 55 Slangerup GBR 6:47.5 RACE
4 Mike Van Beuren 56 Annapolis MD USA 6:50.0 RACE
5 Brian Leonard Phipps 59 Rongotea Manawatu NZL 6:56.9 RACE
5 Rolf Meek 58 Oslo NOR 6:56.9 IND
7 Tor Arne Simonsen 58 Oslo NOR 6:57.3 RACE
8 Thomas Knight 56 newcastle on tyne GBR 7:04.5 RACE
9 Chris Betenson 55 IRL 7:04.8 RACE
10 Daniel DEVEZ 55 FRA 7:05.1 RACE

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (59–70) | 2010 Season

You are number 1 of 172

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Hugh Pite 65 Victoria BC CAN 7:02.7 RACE
3 Robert Lakin 61 Wichita KS USA 7:03.6 RACE
4 Gregory Brock 62 santa cruz ca USA 7:03.9 IND
5 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 7:05.4 IND
6 Jerry Lawson 62 USA 7:06.0 RACE
6 Gerald Lawson 62 Winona MN USA 7:06.0 IND
8 Leif Petersen 64 DEN 7:08.5 RACE
9 Peter Francis 61 Denver CO USA 7:09.3 RACE
10 Roger Prowse 65 Isle of Wight GBR 7:10.3 RACE

ranger

[mikvan52]

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE

even the American Record is faster than that.....

I heard a rumor... Is it true, Rich, that you are compiling records for age in months in order to prop up your ego?

[JimR]

There is no "performance" to this thing ranger thinks is "art".

Puzzling sentiment.

No evidence for this.

I have had the best 2K in my age and weight class (6:41, 55s lwts) for the last two years, without even preparing to race.

I think it is amusing that you constantly switch between the two sub-topics in this thread. I make a comment about your 6:16 2K quest and you reply with something about your 2K from the last two years.

I'm pretty sure nobody cares much about your 2K times in the 2009 and 2008 seasons. It is the 6:16 2K quest everyone is here to see ... or not see it seems. That also applies to every pace/rate/distance combination derived from the 6:16 2K.

JimR

[ranger]

TJ )a big hwt @ 97 kg( rowed that hour at 1:49 pace.. & you're going for over double the distance at 1:48?

It depends on how well I row vs. how well Oesterling rows.

If I rowed poorly (9 SPI) at max drag (200+ df.), as I did back in 2002, when I pulled 1:54 for a FM , the prediction, given normal decline with age, would be that I should now pull a FM at 1:58.

You're right.

That would fall quite a bit short of my goal.

Rowing well (11.5 SPI) at low drag (95 df.), I think I'll pull 1:48 for a FM.

If I do, I will have gained 10 seconds per 500m over predictions, right around a second per 500m a year, by using my training time to work on technique and stroking power, technical and skeletal-motor efficiency and effectiveness, rather than fitness.

ranger

[mikvan52]

TJ )a big hwt @ 97 kg( rowed that hour at 1:49 pace.. & you're going for over double the distance at 1:48?

It depends on how well I row vs. how well Oesterling rows.

If I rowed as I did back in 2002, when I pulled 6:28 for 2K, the prediction, given normal decline with age, would be a FM at 1:58.

ranger

"well" ? (choke, sputter)
"prediction"? Your prediction/goal is 1:48... now that you "row well" "just like Stephansen"

Here's some unfinished business stuff you failed to come through with in the 2011 erg season.

I remember this one in particular:

rangerboy, if you're so damn fast, why aren't you racing at the masters' nationals?

I will.

Next year, when I am 60.

Next year, I will also enter the Veterans race at the Head of the Charles.

I will do as many head races as I can this fall.

I will do as many sprint races as I can next spring and summer.

I have some unfinished business to complete on the erg this winter.

ranger

Evidently, any ranger unfinished business remains unfinished business


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