Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

A FM at 1:52 predicts a 1:38 2K.

A FM is done at 2K + 14.

ranger

[ranger]

"My wife and I are not going to Door County until the end of May."

So the FM quest ends at the end of May.
Then what?
Long sits on the erg on top of the bluff watching vid's of EE?

Weather permitting, when I am in Door County, every morning, I will row first OTErg (in the dark, inside, before sunrise) and then OTW (at sunrise).

I will also cross-train in the afternoon OTBike.

I am buying a new bike.

ranger

[mikvan52]

I think I can do

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Incorrigible !
Thinking... not stating a specific day or deadline... hence: ... nothing will happen.
I've seen this repeatedly coaching: If the athlete allows wiggle room... they wiggle out of any and all commitment to themselves and their team.

What's the deadline Rich?... you now "row well"

[mikvan52]

Weather permitting, when I am in Door County, every morning, I will row first OTErg (in the dark, inside, before sunrise) and then OTW (at sunrise).

I will also cross-train in the afternoon OTBike.

Any regatta dates?

[ranger]

To build up to the FM @ 1:52, over the next few days, a good schedule might be continuous 20K and 30K rows at 1:52.

Not sure what the rate will turn out to be.

I'll just pick a rate that is maximally comfortable/economic.

If that turns out to be something like 10 MPS, I'll be surprised, but, hey, who knows?

10 MPS is pretty comfortable stuff for long distance rowing.

The 60s lwt WR for 60min is 1:52.

ranger

[snowleopard]

And then the DF will go up again

No.

The low drag is now great, perfectly natural.

I now row well at low drag.

Yeah yeah yeah. We've heard it all before. Row an all out 2K at 95 DF and let us know how it goes. None of that, "no, my first doodah will be a FM" shite because that's just what it is. You couldn't finish an FM before Christmas.

BTW, your season's best for 2K is > 7:00. Mike has a 6:55 in the bag. He's an all round better rower AND erger than you. If you want to know about technique ask Mike. Coming back from injury and on minimal k's he's waaay ahead of you

Shame you're not actually doing those 20K session you lie so much about, you might just duck under 7:00.

[ranger]

BTW, your season's best for 2K is > 7:00. Mike has a 6:55 in the bag.

I am not much interested in the 2K at the moment.

I am training for distance trials.

But some things need to be pointed out.

First, Mike is not a 60s rower. He has other competition, some of which is considerably faster that he is.

Second, I am not rowing as a lightweight at the moment.

Third, my goal for 5K is 1:39; for 6K, 1:40; for 30min, 1:41; for 10K, 1:42, for 60min, 1:44.

1:44 for 60min is over 8 x 1:44/6:56 for 2K (no rest).

The 60s lwt American record for 2K is 6:56.

I have no interest in racing a 2K at 1:44/6:56.

My goal is 6:16.

ranger

[snowleopard]

BTW, your season's best for 2K is > 7:00. Mike has a 6:55 in the bag.

Well, first, Mike is not a 60s rower.

Second, I am not rowing as a lightweight.

Third, my goal for 5K is 1:39; for 6K, 1:40; for 30min, 1:41; for 10K, 1:42, for 60min, 1:44.

Well first, you repeatedly refer to Mike's rowing and compare it to yours. Do I take it, therefore, that you will no longer mention Mike in comparison to your own [piss poor] rowing.

Second, you have repeatedly referred to yourself in whining terms as a 'little lightweight'. Do I take it, therefore, that you will henceforth refer to yourself as a 'morbidly obese lunker with a drink problem'?

Third, your goals don't count for shit. They are irrelevant. You ain't sniffed a goal in five or more years. Your most 'notable' performance of late was a lwt 7:02 or some such.

ranger: season 2010/11 7:02.3

That's all she wrote Dick

[Fred]

To build up to the FM @ 1:52, over the next few days, a good schedule might be continuous 20K and 30K rows at 1:52.

Rich
there are two things you need to understand:
1. your actual capability (now, this week. actual capability not wishing or wanting or whatever, but actually being able to do it) might be a 37:20 10k (1:52 average) as a HW. You certainly can not do a 20k at that distance.

2. there is a law of performance. that law states that as the distance gets greater, the time per unit increases. There is no exception to this law. There are none, there have never been, and there will never be, any cases where a persons best performance 10k and a 20k are the same average pace.

It's a law.

so, when you think things like "hey, if I can do 10k at that, I can probably do 20k also, which means I could do 30k, so I could do 42k also", you're breaking that law.

I realize you think it's true. But, it isnt.

your mind has embraced a delusion

[aharmer]

Here's a question to my fellow naysayers. Ranger, don't bother replying to this, your input means nothing here as you are clearly mentally ill and incapable of having a logical discussion of any kind.

For all others. On Sunday night when he hasn't posted anything, after claiming that he would yet again, what will be the reason? Will he have tried, but failed so miserably that he doesn't dare show the results? Has he never had any intention of trying, just likes the attention and is stringing it out as long as possible? Does he even erg? I wish there was another forumite that lived in Ann Arbor that could go visit the lunatic and dig into his erg's memory for a meters total. That's been requested several times but he wont take that photo either...I guess that would mean he's racing his training.

[KevJGK]

On Sunday night when he hasn't posted anything, after claiming that he would yet again, what will be the reason? Will he have tried, but failed so miserably that he doesn't dare show the results? Has he never had any intention of trying, just likes the attention and is stringing it out as long as possible? Does he even erg? I wish there was another forumite that lived in Ann Arbor that could go visit the lunatic and dig into his erg's memory for a meters total. That's been requested several times but he wont take that photo either...I guess that would mean he's racing his training.

The answer is pretty clear:

He has absolutely no intention of trying.

He knows very well that his goals are a fantasy.

His motivation for being here is simply attention.

I believe that he ergs a lot - but far less than he claims.

My best guess is that he is suffering from some kind of mental illness.

[Citroen]

The answer is pretty clear:

He has absolutely no intention of trying.

He knows very well that his goals are a fantasy.

His motivation for being here is simply attention.

I believe that he ergs a lot - but far less than he claims.

My best guess is that he is suffering from some kind of mental illness.

That's just about it in a nutshell. His mental illness appears to be some sort of pathological paranoid narcissistic personality disorder. He also appears to have severe delusions of grandeur.

[Bokaj]

If we all think hes a nutball troll then why do you keep talking to him? Dont respond and let him talk to an empty room.

[Fred]

On Sunday night when he hasn't posted anything, after claiming that he would yet again, what will be the reason? Will he have tried, but failed so miserably that he doesn't dare show the results? Has he never had any intention of trying, just likes the attention and is stringing it out as long as possible? Does he even erg? I wish there was another forumite that lived in Ann Arbor that could go visit the lunatic and dig into his erg's memory for a meters total. That's been requested several times but he wont take that photo either...I guess that would mean he's racing his training.

The answer is pretty clear:
He has absolutely no intention of trying.
He knows very well that his goals are a fantasy.
His motivation for being here is simply attention.
I believe that he ergs a lot - but far less than he claims.
My best guess is that he is suffering from some kind of mental illness.

I would disagree with some portions:
- at this instant in time, he intends to do it. As the time draws near to actually do it, some sort of subconscious self defense mechanism will kick in to protect him from reality.
- he thinks his goals can be attained
- he is definitely here for the attention and we are enablers
- he ergs about 1/2 of what he claims

main difference between your view and mine: I believe he really does think he can erg a 6:16 2k. NO ONE would spend all that money, fly to the UK and humiliate himself in front of everyone if he knew going in there was absolutely -0- chance that he would go sub 6:40 let alone sub 6:20. No one would go out at a 1:35 pace with a target of 6:40.

If you would have talked to him immediately after BIRC, you would have found him to be devastated. In his mind, he erg'd 45 seconds off his mark.

His mind hasn't accepted the reality of his current ability, it cant. Something compels him to construct this delusion and surprisingly, no matter how increasingly wide the gulf between reality and delusion, the delusion is never dislodged.

[JimR]

On Sunday night when he hasn't posted anything, after claiming that he would yet again, what will be the reason? Will he have tried, but failed so miserably that he doesn't dare show the results? Has he never had any intention of trying, just likes the attention and is stringing it out as long as possible? Does he even erg? I wish there was another forumite that lived in Ann Arbor that could go visit the lunatic and dig into his erg's memory for a meters total. That's been requested several times but he wont take that photo either...I guess that would mean he's racing his training.

The answer is pretty clear:
He has absolutely no intention of trying.
He knows very well that his goals are a fantasy.
His motivation for being here is simply attention.
I believe that he ergs a lot - but far less than he claims.
My best guess is that he is suffering from some kind of mental illness.

I would disagree with some portions:
- at this instant in time, he intends to do it. As the time draws near to actually do it, some sort of subconscious self defense mechanism will kick in to protect him from reality.
- he thinks his goals can be attained
- he is definitely here for the attention and we are enablers
- he ergs about 1/2 of what he claims

main difference between your view and mine: I believe he really does think he can erg a 6:16 2k. NO ONE would spend all that money, fly to the UK and humiliate himself in front of everyone if he knew going in there was absolutely -0- chance that he would go sub 6:40 let alone sub 6:20. No one would go out at a 1:35 pace with a target of 6:40.

If you would have talked to him immediately after BIRC, you would have found him to be devastated. In his mind, he erg'd 45 seconds off his mark.

His mind hasn't accepted the reality of his current ability, it cant. Something compels him to construct this delusion and surprisingly, no matter how increasingly wide the gulf between reality and delusion, the delusion is never dislodged.

I think what is really crazy in this thread is anyone thinking they understand ranger's motivations. He is unpredictable in is reasons even though he is entirely predictable in his posting ... bordering on boring to be sure.

There are only two choices here ... (a) wait to see what is next or ... (b) leave. There is no "performance" to this thing ranger thinks is "art".

JimR