Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by NavigationHazard » April 18th, 2011, 5:09 pm

NavHaz, on 4 Feb 2009, on the UK Forum wrote:
Here's a 6:58.5 r22 from today with an average HR of 143. I couldn't quite keep peak HR below 150 for the entire piece. Maybe I could have had I not done 30' on the elliptical and lifted upper-body weights prior to it.

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That definitely is a UT2 HR for me. And whereas I believe HR comparisons between individuals are mostly worthless, IMO there is something to be said for comparing the data from like pieces under like conditions with yourself. Here my HR was quite a bit lower over the entire 2k r22 than it was a year ago at the same pace and an average r24. To me, this suggests rather better baseline fitness....
70% HRR, I decided at the time.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by JohnBove » April 18th, 2011, 5:45 pm

ranger wrote:My fitness is great.

... Demonstrably, I have no problem with that aspect of rowing.
There are indeed demonstrations. Tell us: How many times have you spit the bit in the past two years?

You repulsive bag of maggots.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » April 18th, 2011, 6:06 pm

ranger wrote:Mike VB's max HR is 163 bpm.

Therefore, it is always a question whether he can row sub-7 for 2k--at all.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by aharmer » April 18th, 2011, 6:16 pm

ranger wrote:If you can do a 7:00/1:45 2K at 80% HRR, you can pull sub -6:30.

80% of 375 watts = 300 watts.

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Now you're telling us that 2k times and HRR percentages are a linear relationship? Very interesting.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by bellboy » April 18th, 2011, 6:33 pm

mikvan52 wrote:
ranger wrote:Mike VB's max HR is 163 bpm.

Therefore, it is always a question whether he can row sub-7 for 2k--at all.

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But what about your force curve Mike? It's all about the force curve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by atklein90 » April 18th, 2011, 7:20 pm

ranger wrote:If you can do a 7:00/1:45 2K at 80% HRR, you can pull sub -6:30.

80% of 375 watts = 300 watts.

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You can't even do a 7:00 2K!

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Steve G » April 18th, 2011, 7:37 pm

ranger wrote:
Navigation Hazard wrote:There is nothing new under the sun. Here's a 2009 thread from the UK Forum in which feckandclueless challenged Nik Fleming to row a sub-7 2k r24 with a HR under 160 bpm:
So, what is Nik doing these days?

He is only 40 years old.

I didn't start rowing until I was 50.

I didn't race until I was 52.

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Here is a clip of Nik back in 2004 with Big G and a host of others I have had the pleasure to meet, George Meredith (somebody you havent mentioned), Pete Marsden, my mate Andy Brown etc
http://youtu.be/4j23MfUqIDQ
I had the pleasure of watching Nik do his first sub 6 at Newark
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 18th, 2011, 7:43 pm

So what is Nik doing these days?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Byron Drachman » April 18th, 2011, 7:50 pm

Ranger wrote:April 13, 2011: Anyone can do recoveries. Almost no one can row well (with their drives).

April 17, 2011: as I am walking around now, I feel like I have a double hernia.
Not everyone can do recoveries. Poor technique on the recovery, a frequent problem among self-taught rowers, can cause injury of the hip flexors and that would feel like a double hernia.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 18th, 2011, 7:52 pm

Byron Drachman wrote:
Ranger wrote:April 13, 2011: Anyone can do recoveries. Almost no one can row well (with their drives).

April 17, 2011: as I am walking around now, I feel like I have a double hernia.
Not everyone can do recoveries. Poor technique on the recovery, a frequent problem among self-taught rowers, can cause injury of the hip flexors and that would feel like a double hernia.
No, I haven't been hurt by recoveries.

I have been hurt by poor leverage at the footplate on my left side, given the high rate (30+ spm), low drag (95 df.), and high stroking power (12 SPI).

I now know the source of the difficulty, though.

So I am correcting the problem and preventing further damage.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 18th, 2011, 7:58 pm

So, Nav.

What is your maxHR?

What is your resting HR?

Given this, what is 160 bpm in terms of %HRR?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 18th, 2011, 8:00 pm

aharmer wrote:
ranger wrote:If you can do a 7:00/1:45 2K at 80% HRR, you can pull sub -6:30.

80% of 375 watts = 300 watts.

ranger
Now you're telling us that 2k times and HRR percentages are a linear relationship? Very interesting.
Sure.

Nothing unusual about that at all.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 18th, 2011, 8:02 pm

My anaerobic threshold, top-end UT1, is 87% HRR.

I can row for 60min at top-end UT1.

60min is done at 2K + 10.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Tinpusher » April 18th, 2011, 8:22 pm

ranger wrote:I can row for 60min at top-end UT1.

60min is done at 2K + 10.
So 1:55.5 then? 15584m. Remarkable.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » April 18th, 2011, 8:59 pm

bellboy wrote:
mikvan52 wrote:
ranger wrote:Mike VB's max HR is 163 bpm.

Therefore, it is always a question whether he can row sub-7 for 2k--at all.

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But what about your force curve Mike? It's all about the force curve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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