Ranger's training thread

[JimR]

I am just training for distance trials!

I haven't even done one yet.

After a FM, I will need to do HM, 60min, 10K, 30min, 6K, and 5K.

Do you have any thoughts on how long it will take to do an all out HM trial once you have completed the FM trial?

JimR

[ranger]

I am just training for distance trials!

I haven't even done one yet.

After a FM, I will need to do HM, 60min, 10K, 30min, 6K, and 5K.

Do you have any thoughts on how long it will take to do an all out HM trial once you have completed the FM trial?

JimR

If I can continue to rate 32 spm in my FM training, one size fits all.

I shouldn't have to train for the other races at all.

I should just be able to do them, although it usually takes a few tries at each race to get your best time.

ranger

[JimR]

I am just training for distance trials!

I haven't even done one yet.

After a FM, I will need to do HM, 60min, 10K, 30min, 6K, and 5K.

Do you have any thoughts on how long it will take to do an all out HM trial once you have completed the FM trial?

JimR

If I can continue to rate 32 spm in my FM training, one size fits all.

I shouldn't have to train for the other races at all.

I should just be able to do them, although it usually takes a few tries at each race to get your best time.

ranger

So with the FM trial in 13 days or less (end of the month as you said) we could see real details every week for 6-8 weeks in a row?! That would be very interesting.

JimR

[macroth]

Gorgeous base pace cadence now, 1:40 @ 32 spm (11 SPI).

/snipittysnip/

I don't know, but I think I might do it for a HM.

Second good laugh of the day. Thanks for that!

[ranger]

Wow.

It appears as though this rowing at above 30 spm and 95 df. will take some time to get used to muscularly.

I was sore from rowing yesterday, but I thought it was just a passing thing.

Nope.

I am _really_ sore, now.

The rowing felt fine while I was doing it, but ugh, as I am walking around now, I feel like I have a double hernia.

Must be the quick leg kicks.

Rowing at 95 df. is quite a bit different from rowing at max drag.

ranger

[ranger]

So with the FM trial in 13 days or less (end of the month as you said) we could see real details every week for 6-8 weeks in a row?! That would be very interesting.

Sure.

I hope so.

It's time to get on with it!

The distance rows are not that different.

You just raise the rate a click or two as you cut the distance.

The main benefit is getting used to the sustained rowing with a high, threshold HR (top-end UT1, AT).

ranger

[bellboy]

Wow.

It appears as though this rowing at above 30 spm and 95 df. will take some time to get used to muscularly.

I was sore from rowing yesterday, but I thought it was just a passing thing.

Nope.

I am _really_ sore, now.

The rowing felt fine while I was doing it, but ugh, as I am walking around now, I feel like I have a double hernia.

Must be the quick leg kicks.

Rowing at 95 df. is quite a bit different from rowing at max drag.

ranger

BINGO! There we have it kids. Two weeks before his (stop sniggering at the back) 1.48 FM his body is betraying him. Lets not forget this is the man who never gets stale and trains every day. This is merely his preamble for postponing his end of the month/spring row for the ages. How did he hurt his groin? Im thinking his 'walk a donkey shaft a cowboy' session went horribly,horribly wrong. C'est la vie but fear not the Fluid will be hitting the water very soon....Lets hope a passing eight is not in the general vicinity when it does.

[snowleopard]

How did he hurt his groin?

so that your ... abs, etc. are stretched out completely in the opposite direction.

I mean, that must do some horrible things to you

[Byron Drachman]

--snip--as I am walking around now, I feel like I have a double hernia. Must be the quick leg kicks.

No, it is more likely from carrying the extra weight:

My balls are plenty big.

[rjw]

--snip--as I am walking around now, I feel like I have a double hernia. Must be the quick leg kicks.

No, it is more likely from carrying the extra weight:

My balls are plenty big.

Thanks for the morning chuckle Brian.

[hjs]

ahh. A target..... yes and we know why, below 6.18. it was never a target it is just a number far out of reach , good call with your injuree, nothing to show anymore season, and for any season that is...... coward

You have been claiming to row 6.16 for years and you also say with age there is a decline, but despite this you still claim every year hat your potentential is still the same 6.16. If your potential has been 6.16 you can do the math, your potential now is lots and lots slower.

Sure, my aerobic capacity is declining, I suspect by the normal second per year over 2K.

On the other hand, making guesses about potential is divination, not science.

I have used the 6:16 as a target because it seems reasonable to me.

Is it accurate, exact, etc.?

Who knows?

We'll have to wait and see.

I now seem to be doing rowing that is zeroing in on this target, but I am certainly still a long way from racing a 2K at 1:34.

I am just training for distance trials!

I haven't even done one yet.

After a FM, I will need to do HM, 60min, 10K, 30min, 6K, and 5K.

Then, when I am done with distance trials, I will need to sharpen for a couple of months with anaerobic intervals before I am fully ready to race.

ranger

[ranger]

Here is the problem with 55s/60s lwts.

No sequencing.

Slow legs!

No reverse action with the upper body against the legs.

Just a slow pull, from catch to finish, with all of the levers engaged simultaneously.

This kind of rowing generates no power.

9 SPI?

If you are rowing at low drag, as MIke and Roy are, to generate power with the rowing stroke, you need to hold your upper body steady and relaxed until you have pushed your legs through.

Then you can reverse the motion, swing your back, and pull with your arms.

Mike and Roy are doing nothing of the sort.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzBeDL8wdV4

It's hard to tell, just eye-balling it, but both Mike and Roy seem to be in something close to a 1-to-1 ratio at 34 spm.

If they dropped the drag tro 95 df. and pushed their legs through entirely before swinging their backs, raising the stroking power 3 SPI and shortening the drive time to .5 seconds, they would be in close to a 3-to-1 ratio at 34 spm.



ranger

[bellboy]

Here is the problem with 55s/60s lwts.

No sequencing.

Slow legs!

No reverse action with the upper body against the legs.

Just a slow pull, from catch to finish, with all of the levers engaged simultaneously.

This kind of rowing generates no power.

9 SPI?

If you are rowing at low drag, as MIke and Roy are, to generate power with the rowing stroke, you need to hold your upper body steady and relaxed until you have pushed your legs through.

Then you can reverse the motion, swing your back, and pull with your arms.

Mike and Roy are doing nothing of the sort.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzBeDL8wdV4

It's hard to tell, just eye-balling it, but both Mike and Roy seem to be in something close to a 1-to-1 ratio at 34 spm.

If they dropped the drag tro 95 df. and pushed their legs through entirely before swinging their backs, shortening the drive time to .5 seconds, they would be in close to a 3-to-1 ratio at 34 spm.



ranger

Whoa there cowboy! Let me get this straight. You. R.Cureton.Ranger.Von MannBatt are giving a technical critique? The man with the self confessed ('rowing like shit' on at least 3233 posts) worst erging style in the sport appears to have undergone an irony bypass. Let us pray and hope he makes it through the other side.

[JimR]

Here is the problem with 55s/60s lwts.

No sequencing.

Slow legs!

No reverse action with the upper body against the legs.

Just a slow pull, from catch to finish, with all of the levers engaged simultaneously.

This kind of rowing generates no power.

9 SPI?

If you are rowing at low drag, as MIke and Roy are, to generate power with the rowing stroke, you need to hold your upper body steady and relaxed until you have pushed your legs through.

Then you can reverse the motion, swing your back, and pull with your arms.

Mike and Roy are doing nothing of the sort.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzBeDL8wdV4

It's hard to tell, just eye-balling it, but both Mike and Roy seem to be in something close to a 1-to-1 ratio at 34 spm.

If they dropped the drag tro 95 df. and pushed their legs through entirely before swinging their backs, raising the stroking power 3 SPI and shortening the drive time to .5 seconds, they would be in close to a 3-to-1 ratio at 34 spm.



ranger

I suspect that if you posted a video that matched the 500m trial MikeVB put up recently (using the same pace ... your choice on drag and spm) NavHaz would come along and show you are not a erging a 3-to-1 ratio ... because he has analyzed video this way before.

The fact this video does not exist at this point could be because ...
(a) you can't go that fast
(b) you can't go that far
(c) a and b combined
(d) a 500m trial would be inappropraite at this point in your training

If the answer is (d) then is is poor form for you to be making wild conjectures about things you are unable or unwilling to do ... so that there are meaningful facts to support your theories.

JimR

[ranger]

I suspect that if you posted a video that matched the 500m trial MikeVB put up recently (using the same pace ... your choice on drag and spm) NavHaz would come along and show you are not a erging a 3-to-1 ratio

What does a 500 trial have to do with a 2K?

I would do a 500m trial at 46 spm and high drag.

1:24?

It's only 65 strokes.

Sure.

Pulling 46 spm at high drag, I would be in close to a 1-to-1 ratio, too.

At 34 spm and 95 df., I am in close to a 3-to-1 ratio, though.

And that's _way_ faster than Mike and Roy are going in the video.

1:37 pace, not 1:42.

Sure, I would be happy to take a video of that.

At 1:42, I only have to rate 30 spm.

When I am rating 30 spm at 95 df. pulling 11 SPI, I am in a solid 3-to-1 ratio.

That's the kind of thing I am now doing with my distance rowing.

My target is 1:42 for 10K.

10K is done at 2K + 8.

ranger