Ranger's training thread

[PaulH]

Brian Bailey's 60s lwt WR of 6:42.5 is exactly in line with the other WRs, which, give or take a bit, come along at a decline with age of about a second over 2K per year after 20.

So why isn't the WR held by a 20 year old?

[ranger]

Brian Bailey's 60s lwt WR of 6:42.5 is exactly in line with the other WRs, which, give or take a bit, come along at a decline with age of about a second over 2K per year after 20.

So why isn't the WR held by a 20 year old?

It's just a general timeline and approximation.

Here are the lwt WRs:

20s 5:58
30s 6:07
40s 6:17
50s: 6:25
60s" 6:42

ranger

[ranger]

I have the best 2K for my age and weight for the last two years, without even preparing for it.

Don’t belittle yourself.

You’ve spent your entire life preparing for it.

You’ve just been a bit misguided.

I did the 6:41s over the last two years with no distance rowing, distance trials, or sharpening, just on the basis of low rate rowing, working on technique, and cross-training, working on my weight.

Everyone gets about a dozen seconds over 2K from a couple of months of hard sharpening.

I don't know what distance rowing and distance trials are worth in 2K training, but I suspect something comparable.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (95 df.).

I am not sure what rowing well at low drag is worth over 2K, but I suspect something comparable.

ranger

[aharmer]

Your calculations of decline with age are just that...your calculations. There is no internationally accepted rate of decline with age. Whether your calculations are correct or not is not relevant to my assertion.

When I say they are not equivalent records, I based that on interest level. How many people in the running community know what the WR marathon is for 60+ year old men? Probably about 5. That particular WR might be the most impressive in the sport based on age, but nobody cares. Get my point? As much as you like to think the world revolves around you and that machine in your basement, I beg to differ. In fact, if you completely obliterated the erging record books tomorrow and pulled a sub-6 2k as a 60 yo lightweight the only people that would even notice would be the people that are already here arguing with you. It's a piece of workout equipment, nothing more. Even if you're as good as you claim, it means nothing. Get over yourself.

[ranger]

In fact, if you completely obliterated the erging record books tomorrow and pulled a sub-6 2k as a 60 yo lightweight the only people that would even notice would be the people that are already here arguing with you

Sorry, but I don't agree with this at all.

The erg is used pretty universally now in training for rowing.

Standards on the erg are well established--and significant in the sport.

I don't just row on the erg.

I also row OTW.

The lwt American record OTErg is 6:07.

ranger

[ranger]

Get over yourself.

If I pull a sub-6:00 lwt 2k at 60, there is nothing to get over.

The estimations of my potential that I have suggested have been _enormously_ modest.

And actually, I am much better than I think I am.

The only people who have been entirely off-base are you folks in saying that I have overestimated my potential.

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

ranger

[PaulH]

Get over yourself.

If I pull a sub-6:00 lwt 2k at 60, there is nothing to get over.

The estimations of my potential that I have suggested have been _enormously_ modest.

And actually, I am much better than I think I am.

The only people who have been entirely off-base are you folks in saying that I have overestimated my potential.

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

ranger

Does that mean that if you pull around 6:40 at 60 (i.e. broadly in line with your expected decline) does that mean that your estimates have been _enormously_ overstated, and you're much worse than you think you are?

[ranger]

Even if you're as good as you claim, it means nothing.

Sorry, but you are _wildly_ wrong in this.

A lwt 6:16 at 60 would revise the whole history of this sport.

The sport would be changed--permanently, forever.

Clearly, over the ten years I have been rowing, I will have had the best coach in the world, and ever after, no one will be anyone in the sport who doesn't do exactly what I have done to train myself to row a lwt 6:16 at 60 OTErg.

ranger

[Byron Drachman]

April 16,2011: If I pull a sub-6:00 lwt 2k at 60, there is nothing to get over. The estimations of my potential that I have suggested have been _enormously_ modest. And actually, I am much better than I think I am.

That's wonderful. Thanks so much for that quote. It made me chuckle and brightened my day. In my family, anyone who brags always adds: I know that sounds like bragging but it isn't because I'm actually twice as good as I say I am.

Although there was a bad weather forecast, it turned out that there was a light drizzle and fairly flat water this morning so I already had a good start to the day sharing the river with two varsity boats. And then your wonderful quote this afternoon, one of your best ever, adds to the joy.

[ranger]

Does that mean that if you pull around 6:40 at 60

So you don't agree with aharmer at all.



Didn't think so.

Achievement in sport is a significant affair.

That aharmer is no good at rowing is irrelevant.

He needs to get over himself.

ranger

[ranger]

And then your wonderful quote this afternoon, one of your best ever, adds to the joy.

Byron is also no good at rowing.

But that's irrelevant, too.

He needs to get over himself.

ranger

[kini62]

I did the 6:41s over the last two years with no distance rowing, distance trials, or sharpening, just on the basis of low rate rowing, working on technique, and cross-training, working on my weight.


I don't know what distance rowing and distance trials are worth in 2K training, but I suspect something comparable.


ranger

More F@cking lies on top of F@cking lies. You've spent the last 8 years, doing exactly what you said you're not doing. Byron has dug up your posts many times with you spouting off on how great your trials of all distances, sharpening and other methods of your "training" were going.

But yet year after year of failures your diarrhea of the mouth gets worse. You're now slower than the snot running down your nose in the Michigan winter and get slower every year. Your "results" if you can call them that prove this out.

You won't EVER break 7 minutes again as a LW. EVER

[aharmer]

Again, lots of talk but nothing to show your claimed potential. How about that warmup 5k in 18:00 including HR? Easy enough. How about that wager that you'll surpass macroth's erg times? Simple. How about anything other than spouting bullshit 5000 times. There's never going to be a distance trial or race, this is only about a loser desperately seeking attention and not being able to get out from under his tremendous blanket of lies. I mean really, how could you go back on all of this now and admit that in perfect conditions you might be able to challenge the 60's WR?

We all know nothing is coming, it's simply the entertainment and gossip page for bored ergers such as myself:)

[hjs]

you have been claiming to row 6.16 for years and you also say with age there is a decline, but dispite this you still claim every year hat your potentential is stilntht same 6.16.
if your potential has been 6.16 you can do the math, you potential now is lots and lots slower. Precisely what your results are showing.
And altough your say aging gives a average decline reality is different, at your age the decline goes faster and that also shows in your results.
you still rowed 6.30 age 55, unprepared as you say, you now rowed 7.02 this year..... and after this you could not get yourself racing again, we all know why......
face it, it's over and out, your pb s are far out of reach, simple fact of nature.

why are you still claiming to row 6.16 every year? After all you are aging

I am not claiming to row 6:16 every year.

I am claiming that the limit of my potential is 6:16.

Sure, my aerobic capacity is declining with age, just like everyone else's.

No matter.

My improvement has been technical.

I have just learned to row.

At just shy of 53, I pulled a lwt 6:28 2K rowing badly (10 SPI) at max drag (200+ df.).

I was new to the sport.

I didn't know how to row.

If my experience is right, rowing well at low drag can be worth as much as 10 seconds per 500m over 2K.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (95 df.).

There's your explanation of why I think the limit of my potential is 6:16.

ranger

[ranger]

PaulH--

It seems that you need to get over yourself, too.

Sorry that you're no good at rowing either.

But, hey, so it goes.

Deal with it.

ranger