Ranger's training thread

[macroth]

As your weight shifts up onto the balls of the feet at the catch and you fire off with your quads and then set your heels and push with your hams and gluts, your upper body should be entirely relaxed so that your lats, delts, abs, etc. are stretched out completely in the opposite direction until they are called upon when you swing your back and pull with your arms.

Not only is this incorrect, it's not what you're doing either. You really have the lousiest understanding of biomechanics I've ever seen coupled with a complete lack of proprioception. You don't have any idea what you're saying nor what you're doing on an erg.

[ranger]

As your weight shifts up onto the balls of the feet at the catch and you fire off with your quads and then set your heels and push with your hams and gluts, your upper body should be entirely relaxed so that your lats, delts, abs, etc. are stretched out completely in the opposite direction until they are called upon when you swing your back and pull with your arms.

Not only is this incorrect, it's not what you're doing either. You really have the lousiest understanding of biomechanics I've ever seen coupled with a complete lack of proprioception. You don't have any idea what you're saying nor what you're doing on an erg.

If you could pull 5:35 for 2K, we would have some reason to believe you.

But, yikes, as a 60s lwt, who can be 160 lbs. when I am as lean as I can be, I will out row you.

That's not a very solid foundation for making claims that you know what you are doing, given that you are a 30s hwt.

My Lord, son, you are missing the standards in your age and weight division by almost a minute over 2K.

15 seconds per 500m.

ranger

[ranger]

You've trained yourself to stop whenever it starts to hurt.

Nope.

Over the last few years, in training, I have stopped whenever I have been rowing badly, in order to figure out what I had to change to row well.

I have been working on technique.

My fitness is great.

I have been doing endurance sports my entire lifetime.

Demonstrably, I have no problem with that aspect of rowing.

BTW, Kev, I have the best 2K for my age and weight for the last two years, without even preparing for it.

Last year, no one my age and weight came within 20 seconds of my 2K.

Those 6:41s, without even preparing for them, have also been almost 20 seconds better than your 2Ks.

Why?

No 58 and/or 59-year-old lwt in the history of the sport has ever been as fast.

ranger

[ranger]

Kev--

Post a digipic of your force curve rowing at 95 df. with your "balls-y" stroke.

Let's see what you are doing.

Do you know how to row?

ranger

[ranger]

macroth--

What drag do you row at?

Post a digipic of your force curve when you are rowing easily at 26 spm.

Let's see what you are doing.

Do you know how to row?

ranger

[aharmer]

As your weight shifts up onto the balls of the feet at the catch and you fire off with your quads and then set your heels and push with your hams and gluts, your upper body should be entirely relaxed so that your lats, delts, abs, etc. are stretched out completely in the opposite direction until they are called upon when you swing your back and pull with your arms.

Not only is this incorrect, it's not what you're doing either. You really have the lousiest understanding of biomechanics I've ever seen coupled with a complete lack of proprioception. You don't have any idea what you're saying nor what you're doing on an erg.

If you could pull 5:35 for 2K, we would have some reason to believe you.

But, yikes, as a 60s lwt, who can be 160 lbs. when I am as lean as I can be, I will out row you.

That's not a very solid foundation for making claims that you know what you are doing, given that you are a 30s hwt.

ranger

You've been reminded of this many times, but it's worth reviewing. Being the WR holder of 60's lwts isn't the same accomplishment as being the 30's hwt WR holder. Not even the same planet. There are exactly 5 people in the world that care what the 60's lwt erg WR is. Get over yourself. Oh, by the way, you don't have a WR either so quit holding others to standards you can't achieve yourself.

And you think you'll beat macroth's erg times this year? How much of that fortune you want to bet? We'll set an amount...any amount...and put it in a third party's hands until the end of the year. You win, he mails it all to you. You don't beat his times FOR ANY REASON, he mails it to me. Simple enough.

[ranger]

Being the WR holder of 60's lwts isn't the same accomplishment as being the 30's hwt WR holder. Not even the same planet.

On the contrary.

They are exactly comparable--at least at the moment.

When I pull 6:16 at 60, they won't be, though.

Stephansen, Ebbesen, Caviston, Auer, Siebach, Watt, Brook, etc., don't have a hope in hell of pulling a lwt 6:16 at 60.

In fact, none of these will pull (or will have pulled) 6:16 when they are/were 40 years old.

When they are 60, they will all struggle to pull 6:42.5, the current 60s lwt WR.

ranger

[hjs]

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I just posted my force curve from 2005-2006, when I switched back to hauling anchor at high drag in my racing.

Two weeks before this force curve was recorded, I pulled 6:29.7 for 2K, pretty much exactly what I pulled three years earlier, perhaps with a little decline with age. My hwt pb from 2002 is 6:27.5.

ranger

That is what I said you have no idea what did in your best form.

Given that I was 55 years old at the time, that 6:29.7 in 2006 has been my best 2K time.

It is the equivalent of 6:21.5 at 50 years old.

6:16 at 60 years old is the equivalent of 5:59 at 50 years old.

The normal decline with age among veterans from 50 years old to 60 years old is 17 seconds over 2K.

ranger

It was indeed a good row, but a heavy weight one, a few weeks later you pulled a plus 7.00 lightweight 2k.

What the normal decline is, is not to say, the group that rows is so small that statisticly there is not much to say.

There is something strange though in your line of talking here, for years you are saying that you row a 6.16. But here you say that there is a decline with aging.

A few questions? Why are you now in the camp of the rest of the forum, "aging after 35/40 makes you slower".

And why are you still claiming to row 6.16 every year? After all you are aging so if you keep saying you are still a 6.16 man your potential gets higher and higher each year. That can't be right, ones max potential is a given number. So again as always you are talking from your rear end.

So, how's that "FM by the end of the month" going

Perfectly.

Couldn't be better.

I think that 1:48 is in the bag.

If so, it will be one of the great rows in the history of the sport.

A watershed of sorts.

A WR-holder at 52 years old improving by six seconds per 500m between 52 years old and 60 years old?

Unprecedented.

Gobsmackingly good training.

If I pull it off, without a doubt, I have the best coach in the world.

ranger

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[ranger]

why are you still claiming to row 6.16 every year? After all you are aging

I am not claiming to row 6:16 every year.

I am claiming that the limit of my potential is 6:16.

Sure, my aerobic capacity is declining with age, just like everyone else's.

No matter.

My improvement has been technical.

I have just learned to row.

At just shy of 53, I pulled a lwt 6:28 2K rowing badly (10 SPI) at max drag (200+ df.).

I was new to the sport.

I didn't know how to row.

If my experience is right, rowing well at low drag can be worth as much as 10 seconds per 500m over 2K.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (95 df.).

There's your explanation of why I think the limit of my potential is 6:16.

ranger

[ranger]

Brian Bailey's 60s lwt WR of 6:42.5 is exactly in line with the other WRs, which, give or take a bit, come along at a decline with age of about a second over 2K per year after 20.

A lwt 6:16 at 60 would cut that decline with age in half.

ranger

[ranger]

Mike VB--

Post a digipic of your force curve when you are pulling 1:58 @ 23 spm (9 SPI).

Let's see what you are doing.

rnager

[ranger]

macroth--

What drag do you row at?

Post a digipic of your force curve when you are rowing easily at 26 spm.

Let's see what you are doing.

Do you know how to row?

ranger

[ranger]

Kev--

Post a digipic of your force rowing at 95 df. with your "balls-y" stroke.

Let's see what you are doing.

Do you know how to row?

ranger

[jliddil]

In certain task management areas there is the concept of things you need to do and the someday/maybe. You utilize a method of choice (paper computer whatever) to capture these lists. If you look at the stuff posted here it fits very well into that someday maybe category. It is not a necessary part of life like cook, do X at work or around the house.

So for example I have a list of Someday/Maybe's

Learn a new language
Get a tattoo(s)
Hike from Nepal to the Everest base camp
Learn to row on the water
Learn to erg well
Take an exotic sports car driving class
Break 7 minutes on the erg for 2K

I'm not necessarily going to do any of this but I might someday/maybe. Some have a better chance of really happening than others. They aren't things I am focusing energy on day to day. So I think if you view the musing here in that light you get a better perspective.

[KevJGK]

I have the best 2K for my age and weight for the last two years, without even preparing for it.

Don’t belittle yourself.

You’ve spent your entire life preparing for it.

You’ve just been a bit misguided.