Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » April 15th, 2011, 10:14 am

ranger wrote:
ranger wrote:In my training, I have raised my stroking power 30% and my peak force 35% while cutting my drive time 25% and increasing my ratio 70%, even though I am now ten years older.

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How can you raised something you never looked at when you started rowing? You really don't have a clue what you could do in those days. Just like you now don't have a clue what you can do without breaks.
The simple fact remain that you again let a hole year go by with showing one piece in the rankings.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 10:19 am

Gus wrote:
ranger wrote:
ranger wrote:In my training, I have raised my stroking power 30% and my peak force 35% while cutting my drive time 25% and increasing my ratio 70%, even though I am now ten years older.

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ranger wrote:
by ranger April 14th, 2011, 2:44 pm

BTW, everyone seems to think that my 3-to-1 ratio at 30 spm and 11.7 SPI at 95 df. is unusual.

How can it be?
ranger wrote: by ranger April 14th, 2011, 5:49 pm

Nothing to be done in training now but more of the same.

95 df.

4-to-1 ratio
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by ranger April 15th, 2011, 1:25 am

Nothing to be done now but to keep doing it.

It's perfect.

95 df.

3-to-1 ratio
ranger wrote:
by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 5:49 am

Now I am just enjoying the fruits.

2.5-to-1 ratio

Drive time: .45 seconds

120 kg.F of peak force.
Consistently inconsistent.
No, not inconsistent. You have just taken my references to ratio out of their local contexts.

I in a 4-to-1 ratio at 25 spm. I will use this rate and ratio for a FM.

I am in a 3-to-1 ratio at 30 spm. I will use this rate and ratio for 60min/HM.

I am in a 2.5-to-1 ratio at 35 spm. I will use this rate and ratio for 2K.

I am in a 2-to-1 ratio at 40 spm. I will use this rate and ratio for 1K.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 10:22 am

hjs wrote:You really don't have a clue what you could do in those days.
I just posted my force curve from 2005-2006, when I switched back to hauling anchor at high drag in my racing.

Two weeks before this force curve was recorded, I pulled 6:29.7 for 2K, pretty much exactly what I pulled three years earlier, perhaps with a little decline with age. My hwt pb from 2002 is 6:27.5.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 10:27 am

hjs wrote:The simple fact remain that you again let a whole year go by with showing one piece in the rankings.
No reason to race until your training is complete, especially if you are working on technique.

When all is said and done, I am not sure you will be correct, either.

If I pull a FM, 1:48 @ 25 spm (11 SPI) at 95 df. at the end of the month, as I think I will, I will indeed have a piece in the rankings.

The piece will break the WR for my age and weight by six seconds per 500m and predict a 6:16 2K.

It will also win the second half of my bet with you and you will owe me $2000.

I will be delighted with this result.

If I row a FM @ 1:48, it will be one of the great rows in the history of the sport.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ausrwr » April 15th, 2011, 10:44 am

ranger wrote:I would be delighted to see all ad hominem comments deleted by the moderator.

Can that be done?

Sure, I've been guilty of ad hominem comments from time to time.

I would be happy to have those comments removed.

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I think that'd cut your posting total by about 60%. The other 40% being blatant lies. I'd call them bragging, but it's only bragging if you actually CAN do it.

Hence, the vast majority of your postings are lies and ad hominem attacks.

But, to be fair, the vast majority of mine are ad hominem. Or ad rangerum. I'm not sure you qualify as a human any more, due to your your jumping so far outside the bounds of reality.

So, how's that "FM by the end of the month" going, you lying shitbag?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » April 15th, 2011, 10:45 am

ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:You really don't have a clue what you could do in those days.
I just posted my force curve from 2005-2006, when I switched back to hauling anchor at high drag in my racing.

Two weeks before this force curve was recorded, I pulled 6:29.7 for 2K, pretty much exactly what I pulled three years earlier, perhaps with a little decline with age. My hwt pb from 2002 is 6:27.5.

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That is what I said you have no idea what did in your best form.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » April 15th, 2011, 10:50 am

ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:The simple fact remain that you again let a whole year go by with showing one piece in the rankings.
No reason to race until your training is complete, especially if you are working on technique.

When all is said and done, I am not sure you will be correct, either.

ranger

This will the last thing you a say on your dying day :wink:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 11:29 am

hjs wrote:[This will the last thing you a say on your dying day :wink:
No evidence for that.

I am ready to try some mild FM efforts right now, perhaps starting at my pb and the 60s hwt WR, 1:54, just to get used the the complete distance again.

And then work the pace down on subsequent efforts: 1:52, 1:50, 1:48.

Perhaps even 1:46.

Tuesday is my last class for the semester, so after that, I will have more time and energy to devote to my rowing, both OTErg and OTW.

I don't teach again until September.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 11:31 am

Given the sort of training I have done, a FM @ 1:48 will predict all of my other targets, including a 1:34/6:16 2K.

So my race results from this first event on the agenda will demonstrate/validate the success of my training--in full.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 11:38 am

hjs wrote:
ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:You really don't have a clue what you could do in those days.
I just posted my force curve from 2005-2006, when I switched back to hauling anchor at high drag in my racing.

Two weeks before this force curve was recorded, I pulled 6:29.7 for 2K, pretty much exactly what I pulled three years earlier, perhaps with a little decline with age. My hwt pb from 2002 is 6:27.5.

ranger
That is what I said you have no idea what did in your best form.
Given that I was 55 years old at the time, that 6:29.7 in 2006 has been my best 2K time.

It is the equivalent of 6:21.5 at 50 years old.

6:16 at 60 years old is the equivalent of 5:59 at 50 years old.

The normal decline with age among veterans from 50 years old to 60 years old is 17 seconds over 2K.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by aharmer » April 15th, 2011, 11:59 am

Your teaching schedule should have nothing to do with not being able to erg a FM. The whole world works, and there seem to be a lot of FM rankings each year. With that said, Tuesday is your last class. You have all the time in the world after Tuesday. You are ready to start doing FMs now. Your stroke is ready as is your fitness.

We will not see a FM from you by a week from next Tuesday. Why is that?

What about mixing things up for once and setting, then meeting a deadline? An example of what I mean might be you writing a post similar to this....."I will erg my first FM on Wednesday morning at 8am. At about 11am I will post the IND_V screenshot of the FM regardless of results". Then you would actually erg the FM and post results.

I understand this concept is completely foreign to you, but I think this is what the followers might be looking for. Unfortunately two weeks from now we'll still be going in circles about why you haven't posted a FM result yet. Looking forward to the excuses, hopefully they're creative.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Byron Drachman » April 15th, 2011, 12:04 pm

The excitement builds. In a mere two weeks we will have the greatest erging performance of all time. I can hardly wait:
Ranger wrote:Feb 18, 2011: A month or so of double-session "Steamrollering" should get me plenty ready for FM and HM trials. Then I will get back to "Save a Horse, Ride a Cowboy" rowing at 26 spm and a threshold HR in order to prepare for 60min, 10K, and 30min trials. Then I will be ready for some AT training (e.g., 4 x 2K) to prepare for 5K and 6K trials. I think I should be able to get all of this training and racing in by the end of the indoor rowing season, April 30th. If I am successful in this training and racing, by April 30th, I should hold all of the 60s hwt WRs from 5K to a FM. Then, at the end of April, it might be interesting to do an at-home 2K trial to see if I can beat do better than Hendershott's 6:24. After that, all of my rowing will be OTW.

March 14, 2011: I am really moving into the final stages of my FM training now.

March 15, 2011: In a month or so, when I pull a FM @ 1:48, the row will demonstrate, without question, that I am now a 6:16 erger.

March 23, 2011: When I am ready to race, I'll pull a FM @ 1:48. That won't be too long, perhaps a month or so.

March 24, 2011: 1:48 will be my target for the FM when I do a FM trial in a month or so.

March 28, 2011: I'll row a FM trial in about a month and track my HR as I do it.

April 2, 2011: The FM trial that I am training for now will be my first race rowing at 95 df. When I get around to it, it looks as though I will try to hold 1:44 @ 27 spm (11.5 SPI) for the 42K.


April 8, 2011: Because I now row well (11.5 SPI) at low drag (95 df.), I am going to pull a FM @ 1:46.


April 15, 2011: My FM training is coming along perfectly. On schedule.
My prediction for his excuse not to do a FM: He will be insulted by a posting from somebody and do his usual I'm outta here posting. Then after April 30 he will return with a stream of postings how great his OTW is going and how he is going to win the HOCR.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 12:06 pm

When I was 52, I missed the 50s hwt FM WR by six seconds per 500m.

If I pull 1:48 for a FM now, as I think I will, I will best the 60s hwt FM WR by six seconds per 500m.

That would be an astonishing switcheroo, given that I was the 50s lwt WR holder when I was 52.

If it happens, this switch will have nothing to do with fitness.

My improvement (12 seconds per 500m, relative to my competition) will be _entirely_ technical.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 12:12 pm

aharmer wrote:The whole world works
Naw.

No prominent rowers work much at all, if any.

Or if they do, their work is coaching rowing.

Dennis, Rocket Roy, Mike VB, Spousta, Dietz, Caviston, etc.

Wake up.

About a quarter of the world is retired.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by aharmer » April 15th, 2011, 12:15 pm

ranger wrote:
aharmer wrote:The whole world works
Naw.

No prominent rowers work much at all, if any.

Or if they do, their work is coaching rowing.

Dennis, Rocket Roy, Mike VB, Spousta, etc.
Okay fine, the entire world doesn't work. You proved me wrong, congratulations. How about answering the primary topic of my post? Nobody cares about how jealous you are of these other guys, they want to know why you sit here every day for 12 hours and lie about things you never intend to try. Any chance you could comment on that?
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